Catholic Church & Jesus Christ-Why No One Should Be A Catholic

Apostolic Messianic Fellowship ^ | August 30, 2005 | Why No One Should Be A Catholic

[Mad Dawg]

I'm not going to discuss the Vat II comment because, in hindsight, it is a tangent that I really don't have the time or inclination which to devote. I shouldn't have brought it up. I do know that my parents view of Catholicism is quite different than what is taught today. Interfaith marriages weren't exactly all the rage back in the day, were they? Studying scipture is a completely foreign concept to them, as they know it is not their place.

Well, are you going to discuss it or not?

Few would dispute that there was some serious crypto-Jansenism going on in the first half of the 20th century. But as for Scripture study being somebody's "place" or not, the Catholics I knew in the '60's knew their Bibles pretty well. Some Catholics clearly didn't get the memo.

[Salvation]

** It was not until the Councils of the Church, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, that each of the books to be included in the Canon were chosen. So yes, until the fourth century, the books which are now part of Holy Scripture and the writings of the Church Fathers which have just been quoted WERE ON THE SAME FOOTING!**

Thanks, I hadn't thought of that.

[kerryusama04]

I knew that the only reason you asked a rhetorical question was to argue with my answer, but I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt. Sorry, Jesus trumps Moses and the prophets any day.

There was a chance you might have come up with the right anwer. Is it your contention that Jesus somehow is different than the God of the Old Testament? Aren't you a Trinitarian?

For if you had believed Moses, you would have believed Me, for he wrote of Me.
(John 5:46)

[kerryusama04]

The rules were set way before your church was established.

[Salvation]

There are many more references to the Blessed Virgin Mary in the Bible. Please check the Scripture references on these threads. The Early Church Fathers on Mary’s Perpetual Virginity - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus

The Early Church Fathers on the Immaculate Conception - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus

The Early Church Fathers on The Mother of God - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus

[Salvation]

**The problem is that you don't know where the RCC really stands on anything because it keeps shifting when the ground beneath its position begins to crumble.**

You might rethink this one. What church for over 2000 years now had stood against contraception, for pro-creation, against abortion, for life, against same-sex marriage, for marriage between a man and a woman, for families, against euthanasia, for keeping a person alive and now withdrawing life support systems, against women's ordination, for keeping the priesthood holy as Christ was holy?? Granted on that last one some priests fell into sin and followed their selfish desires -- but the church never changed their stance!

Which church -- the Catholic Church. There has been no shifting, no crumbling.

[nanetteclaret]

Your original question, in post 2185, was "I am writing a Bible study on how to identify a false prophet vice a true prophet. Do you have any scriptures on how to tell the two apart?"

I answered, in post 2210, "Jesus said, 'Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?' Matthew 7:15-16

You proceeded, in post 2212, to say "The standard for prophets is at Deuteronoy 13 and 18 and is summed up by Isaiah at 8:20"

I think I answered the question on "how to tell the two apart."

[Salvation]

**That is a mortal sin, except I guess you don't believe in mortal sin anymore ---**

Oh, yes we do.

[kerryusama04]

Are you saying the standard changed once Christ came in the flesh?

[Salvation]

**you are all headed for purgatory not heaven. **

You might want to check out these threads.

The Early Church Fathers on Purgatory - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus

The Early Church Fathers on Hell - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus

[Salvation]

LOL!

[Salvation]

**Every experience of healing that I have had so far, including the current one, is, albeit painful in parts, always full of joyful hope. I think Purgatory is an example of God's mercy.**

Joyful waiting, because the people in Purgatory know they are on their way to heaven, they just didn't die with a mortal sin on their soul. They are awaiting the day that they are totally pure and can enter heaven.

Likewise, the people in Purgatory know they are NOT going to hell!

[diamond6]

I'm reading a great book on purgatory right now.... it's mind blowing. It addresses how even the slightest faults have to be atoned for if they are not expiated here on earth.

Since I've been reading this, I have increased the number of indulgenced prayers.

Did you know that by saying the name "Jesus" devoutly earns you 300 days indulgence?

The Lord is so good!

[Uncle Chip]

Which church -- the Catholic Church. There has been no shifting, no crumbling.

Oh yeh --- does the Catholic Church still teach that 25 year Episcopacy of Peter in Rome from 42 to 67 AD or has its position on that claim crumbled in light of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary???

[Uncle Chip]

I think Purgatory is an example of God's mercy.**

No --- purgatory is man's sinful refusal to accept the death of Jesus on the cross as full payment for their sins --- all of their sins.

the people in Purgatory ... are awaiting the day that they are totally pure and can enter heaven.

If that's what they are waiting for, then they will be waiting an eternity for a day that will never come.

Likewise, the people in Purgatory know they are NOT going to hell!

Right --- because they are already there.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your reply! Indeed, I would expect them to come together somewhere down the road - and I pray the official interpretation will be literal.

[Alamo-Girl]

The belief in Holy Water is not of Jewish nor Christian origin --- and your link admits it. It's pagan.

The Jewish laws required washing before entering holy places. As I recall, the Catholic idea was to have a basin whereby one entering a place of worship would symbolically simulate that command to remember it - in addition to the other reasons for having holy water, i.e. "outreach."

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for those Scriptures!

[Alamo-Girl]

Excellent choice. Makes the case beautifully. Thank you for those Scriptures!

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your clarification! And thank you for your encouragments!

Where does it fit in the conversation that "living water", denotes water in a stream or a river or a fresh pond, just as "living rock" denotes rock in its natural situation?

Any such usage of the terms does not affect Scripture. There, the "living water" is the Holy Spirit. And "The Rock" is God.