Catholic Church & Jesus Christ-Why No One Should Be A Catholic

I still consider your knowledge of Church history woefully inadequate. Conspiracies are not history.

Thanks, I always forget about the Nestorians.

Is this guy the minister at B. Hussain Obama's parish?

Sounds like it, doesn't it?

(Pat has forgiven me for taking the kitchen knives away. He says hi.)

What on earth is this article? Have we now degraded on this forum to allowing flat-out baiting slander?

Next, we'll see someone post a Jack Chick "tract" and claim it as "just another article." Are the mods even attempting to moderate the boards?

I sorry mr. Iscool, but you asked for this.
What did you hope to accomplish by posting something that was this lame. Not that I don't agree with many of the things in this artcle, but they were presented badly, they had no references as back up and they were offensively stated.

"A man offended is harder to win than a walled city."

Were you honestly concerned with Catholics and their need to examine their faith structure you would have posted something that would have invited their discussion.

I would normally love to support you, but not on this thread. Not with the begining you posted.

**I was what you might call a basket case from that point. I couldn't imagine a greater excitement than what those words had worked upon me. Yet the experience was intensified just a moment later, when I heard the congregation recite: "Lamb of God . . . Lamb of God . . . Lamb of God," and the priest respond, "This is the Lamb of God . . ." as he raised the host. In less than a minute, the phrase "Lamb of God" had rung out four times. From long years of studying the Bible, I immediately knew where I was. I was in the Book of Revelation, where Jesus is called the Lamb no less than twenty-eight times in twenty-two chapters. I was at the marriage feast that John describes at the end of that very last book of the Bible. I was before the throne of heaven, where Jesus is hailed forever as the Lamb. I wasn't ready for this, though - I was at Mass!**

Tears come to my eyes every time I read this one paragraph penned by Scott Hahn. It's how I feel at every Mass. I am in Christ's personal presence through the blessed Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.

Indeed. When I was leaving atheism, I stumbled upon Scott Hahn. He helped point me straight to the Church of Rome.

Have you ever read Augustine? You obviously missed the entire point of City of God. The City of God is NOT Rome.

Thank you so much for your support.

Early belief in the Church is that Jesus granted Peter jurisdiction over the Church. Focusing on an example of Peter's astuteness, St. Clement of Alexandria, [19] in "Who is the Rich man that is Saved", writes of "the blessed Peter, the chosen, the pre-eminent, the first of the disciples, for whom alone and Himself the Saviour paid tribute, [who] quickly seized and comprehended the saying" (Ch. 21), referring to Mk 10:28. Tertullian, [20] while examining Scriptural teachings, legal precedents, and dogma surrounding monogamy and marriage (post A.D. 213), says of Peter, "Monogamist I am led to presume him by consideration of the Church, which, built upon him..." ("On Monogamy", Ch. 8): his certainty that the Church is built especially upon Peter is such that he simply refers to it in the context of another discussion. In a slightly later text (A.D. 220) "On Modesty", Tertullian writes at length about the significance of Matthew 16:18-19, "On this rock I will build my Church" and similar, emphasizing the singular, not plural, right, and condemning "wholly changing the manifest intention of the Lord, conferring (as that intention did) this (gift) personally upon Peter" (Ch. 21). Origen (ca. A.D. 232) wrote also of "Peter, upon whom is built the Church of Christ" (Jurgens §479a). St. Cyprian of Carthage [21] prepared an essay discussing, inter alia, Mt. 16:18-19, titled "On the Unity of the Church" (A.D. 251) in which he strongly associates primacy, unity, the authority of Jesus, and Peter: "On him He builds the Church, and to him He gives the command to feed the sheep; and although He assigns a like power to all the Apostles, yet He founded a single chair, and He established by His own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity" (Jurgens §555-6). Jurgens gives Cyprian as an example of "Papal Primacy being 'implicit' in the early Church."

Me too.

LOL - you too? Two weeks ago I was assigned reading the Book of Sirach, a chapter a day, until I finished it. My BF asked if there was something he should know, given the penance.

I have the online Douay-Rheims bookmarked on my toolbar, and it took a lot of investigation to realize there was a (relatively recent) name change!

I had no idea St. Augustine was in on this conspiracy too. LOL.

You actually posted an article from this hate-filled site that reaches out to the Cletus, Jethro and Cooter crowd?

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I love Theotokos. I can read a little Biblical and Ancient Greek. And I did use my VISA card to buy some Icons, they came all the way from Greece. They are very beautiful.

Well, that's it for you!

(/humor)

Check this post for a re-read of some of Scott Hahn's story.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1795015/posts?page=220#220

This unreformed Papist has an incredible soft-side for the East. Orthodoxy is so beautiful. What is so sad, that as the Catholic Church has lost some of Her Traditions and Ancient Practices, Orthodoxy has continued. I find myself a little jealous of that.

"for salvation is of the Jews"

Let me suggest that you read "Salvation is from the Jews" by Roy Schoeman.

"Porta Rico"? That's not on my map!

You should have said The Catholic canon of the Bible was determined by the Catholic Church... There's a few hundred million people that disagree with that...And Jesus as well...

Yes, there is disagreement. Truth is not a democracy though. Of course, that argument can work either way. But for you to say that Jesus disagrees, based on your interpretation of Scripture, (interpretation comes into play even just reading my post), that borders on blasphemy since you are claiming infallability.

You didn't get the memo, his interpretation is the correct one because he said so.