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Teacher knows something about Catholic bashing
The Bakersfield Californian ^ | Feb 21 2007 | LEONEL MARTINEZ

Posted on 02/22/2007 9:46:01 AM PST by Alex Murphy

My catechism teacher, Sister Mary Lou Petrillo, was a smart and scrappy nun who drilled into us the basics of Catholicism without demeaning other Christian churches or religions.

Too bad Sister Mary Lou isn't available to teach a few intensive lessons on tolerance to the campaign people of presidential candidate John Edwards.

Within the last few weeks, two bloggers for the former North Carolina senator resigned after being hit with criticism from conservative Catholic organizations angered by past anti-Catholic remarks the bloggers posted on the Web, according to CNN.

Melissa McEwan and Amanda Marcotte quit after groups like the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights protested the online messages, some of which used profanity and vulgarity to skewer the Catholic Church.

In a mock question-and-answer session, the postings asked, among other things, what would have happened if the Virgin Mary had taken an emergency contraceptive, and responded, "You'd have to justify their misogyny with another ancient mythology." Another message said the pope has to tell women that have stillborn babies that their babies will be "cast into Satan's maw."

Yet another barb called Christian supporters of President Bush his "wingnut Christofascist base." Edwards responded that he was offended by their remarks, but refused to fire them.

As a practicing Catholic, I say good riddance to McEwan and Marcotte, especially if the Democrats are serious about their new openness to religious folks. But what I don't understand is this: Why would anyone be surprised by their comments?

As many Catholics can attest to, anti-Catholicism is still thriving in America. Slurs such as "popery," "Romanism" and "priestcraft" may no longer be common, but some mentalities have not changed from the days of the Know-Nothings of the mid-1800s. The political group, officially called the American Party, targeted Catholics and immigrants, preferably Catholic immigrants.

That's why I've met apparently sincere people who distinguish between Catholics and "bible-believing" Christians, as though anyone loyal to the pope must believe the Scriptures are a lie. It's why a minister asked me once why Catholics practice idolatry with their statues of the Virgin Mary. He seemed to think it was a perfectly normal question.

I've noted one thing may be different these days from the anti-Catholicism of the 1800s. Sometimes, we Catholics get it from both sides. We get slapped by the fringe religious groups that swear the pope is the Antichrist, and we get kicked by the self-proclaimed intellectuals convinced that Catholicism is a backward religion with preposterous doctrines that no one could possibly believe unless the pope threatened eternal damnation.

The fringe groups are easy to dismiss, but the stereotypes about Catholicism are especially hard to take coming from people who should be smarter, like those working for presidential candidates.

As for McEwan and Marcotte, I'm not sure what they plan to do now that they're not working for presidential candidate Edwards. But whatever it is, I hope they don't run into my feisty former catechism teacher.

Or maybe, I hope they do.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: knownothings; marcotte
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1 posted on 02/22/2007 9:46:02 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy; Coleus; presidio9; NYer

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 02/22/2007 9:51:54 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; Desdemona; ...
Catholic ping!

The fringe groups are easy to dismiss, but the stereotypes about Catholicism are especially hard to take coming from people who should be smarter, like those working for presidential candidates.

This is where the author gets off the track a bit. Both the bloggers and the "Pope is the Antichrist" crows are both on the fringe.

3 posted on 02/22/2007 10:40:09 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480
I meant to type "crowd" instead of "crows" in my last post, but I think "crows" is an appropriate word to use, not only with the second group, but also with the first.


Cah! Cah! Cah!

4 posted on 02/22/2007 10:43:04 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Alex Murphy
You know, everybody who writes about this omits the really scatalogical, obscene comments made by this witch -- because they ARE too bad to repeat in a family newspaper.

I wish they could be published, with blanks in the worst places, so that people could get an idea of just exactly how far outside decent public discourse these two women were.

5 posted on 02/22/2007 10:43:52 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Edward's not firing these characters speaks for him. He may call himself a Christian like Slick Willie does, but keeping these bashers on the payroll says otherwise, IMO.

I am also a practicing Catholic, which makes me a "Christofacist" in these atheists' eyes. So be it. Jerks are entitled to their opinions.

Still, if these comments had been made of any other religion, including Islam, or of blacks, they would have been fired.

Edwards knows what his base is, and its not the so-called Religious Right, despite what he may say.


6 posted on 02/22/2007 10:59:13 AM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: Pyro7480; Alex Murphy

I'm confused. Do the Protestant Catholic bashers agree with or condemn the leftist Catholic bashers? Because they generally say the same things.


7 posted on 02/22/2007 11:01:05 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Pyro7480
With all due respect, Pyro, I must object on behalf of my fellow Avian-Americans.

Your standard, average, anti-Catholic bigot isn't nearly clever enough to be a crow.

8 posted on 02/22/2007 11:03:56 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: wagglebee; Pyro7480
I'm confused. Do the Protestant Catholic bashers agree with or condemn the leftist Catholic bashers? Because they generally say the same things.

I have no idea myself - when one shows up, remind me to ask them. Or maybe one of you can ping me, should either of you comes across one first!

9 posted on 02/22/2007 11:09:41 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: ArrogantBustard; Pyro7480
Your standard, average, anti-Catholic bigot isn't nearly clever enough to be a crow.

How about a turkey? They routinely drown in rain storms from looking up and getting water in their nasal systems.

10 posted on 02/22/2007 11:29:53 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: ArrogantBustard; wagglebee

I forgot about the cleverness of crows. Maybe wagglebee is right about comparing them to turkeys. ;-)


11 posted on 02/22/2007 11:32:53 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: wagglebee; Pyro7480
Look, man ... It's a bird thing. You wouldn't understand. Keepin' it real, man ... not gonna be dissin' my homies around a bunch of hairy mammals.

Besides, even a turkey knows that he's a turkey, and recognises other turkeys when he sees 'em.

12 posted on 02/22/2007 11:41:27 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Pyro7480

Have you got any suggestions? Perhaps earthworms?


13 posted on 02/22/2007 11:44:58 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee; Pyro7480
To be serious, for a moment: bigotry (of whatever sort) is an entirely (fallen) human business, and can be explained by reference to the Seven Deadly Sins:

4: Sloth, in so far as the bigot does not bother to learn the truth about the object of his bigotry. Rather, he is quick to believe lurid falsehoods.

5: Anger, in which the bigot lashes out unjustly at the perceived faults of the object of his bigotry, whilst ignoring his own faults.

6: Envy, in which the bigot is motivated by wishing he had some good which the object of his bigotry is perceived to have.

7: Pride, in which the bigot convinces himself that he is better than the object of his bigotry ... often to the point of partially or wholly denying the humanity of said object.

It is also a violation of the Eighth Commandment ... in that almost everything which the bigot says of the object of his bigotry is a half truth, a distortion of the truth, or an outright fabrication. It can lead to violations of the Fifthe Commandment, as well.

14 posted on 02/22/2007 12:04:11 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Just my opinion, but I think we've started waving the "Catholic-bashing" card way too often on FR. There are some who are legitmately, venemously opposed to the Catholic Church. Others just don't know or understand. I think we would be better off not over-using that phrase because, frankly, we're starting to sound like a bunch of hypersensitive pansies. As anyone who reads my posts knows, I'm committed to earnest debate and countering clearly false claims against our Church, but not everyone who disagrees with our faith is burning the pope in effigy in their backyard. It just seems as soon as someone makes any kind of negative comment, the "Catholic-bashing" responses come out. Sometimes people just don't know any better and it would be better for us to find out before dropping the "C-B" Bomb on them.


15 posted on 02/22/2007 12:32:47 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: Alex Murphy
Here we go again.

Once again, despite its (unmerited) conservative image, Catholics are a historically "oppressed minority" in the United States and will pull out the victim card as quickly as anyone (as the reference to "Know-Nothings" demonstrates).

The author dismisses the idea that Catholics are not considered "Bible-believing chr*stians," but it is a simple and undeniable fact that most Catholics (especially the theologians and clergy) subscribe to higher Biblical criticism and naturalistic theories about how the world works. It is simply ridiculous to deny this.

Also, Catholics and other non-missionary religions do indeed demean other (missionary) religions by attacking them for being missionary religions. Although I am a Noachide and accept the authority of the Jewish Sages, I am simply dumbfounded by the dogmatic anti-proselytization ideology that holds that "I'm right and you're wrong, but that's perfectly all right." This simply makes no sense! Is the non-proselytizer a snob of some kind who doesn't want the other person to be as correct as him?

It is absolutely astounding how many religions think the worst possible thing that can happen is to be handed a tract by a Protestant missionary. Of all the evils in the world, is there nothing else to fight against?

I foresee a time when sinister forces will attempt to create a syncretistic new age "religion" based on nothing but the condemnation of Protestant missionaries.

16 posted on 02/22/2007 12:41:45 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Mishenikhnas 'Adar, marbim besimchah!)
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To: wagglebee
I'm confused. Do the Protestant Catholic bashers agree with or condemn the leftist Catholic bashers? Because they generally say the same things.

That is untrue. Fundamentalist anti-Catholics don't invoke mysogyny or mythology, and liberal anti-Catholics sure as blazes don't say that "Catholics are going to hell."

17 posted on 02/22/2007 12:45:46 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Mishenikhnas 'Adar, marbim besimchah!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Your standard, average, anti-Catholic bigot isn't nearly clever enough to be a crow.

Once again a "good conservative" takes a dig at the allegedly inbred morons who didn't have the intellect or the ambition to be born as illiterate Mayan peasants or Haitian voodoo practitioners.

We know that all Catholics are geniuses.

18 posted on 02/22/2007 12:48:25 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Mishenikhnas 'Adar, marbim besimchah!)
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To: Rutles4Ever
Finally, amidst the crypto-liberal "bigot" bashing, some common sense!

When are Catholics going to apologize for making life unpleasant for Protestants in Mexico? Why is burning the Pope in effigy worse than actually stoning people???

19 posted on 02/22/2007 12:51:21 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Mishenikhnas 'Adar, marbim besimchah!)
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To: Rutles4Ever
Just my opinion, but I think we've started waving the "Catholic-bashing" card way too often on FR. There are some who are legitmately, venemously opposed to the Catholic Church. Others just don't know or understand. I think we would be better off not over-using that phrase because, frankly, we're starting to sound like a bunch of hypersensitive pansies. As anyone who reads my posts knows, I'm committed to earnest debate and countering clearly false claims against our Church, but not everyone who disagrees with our faith is burning the pope in effigy in their backyard. It just seems as soon as someone makes any kind of negative comment, the "Catholic-bashing" responses come out. Sometimes people just don't know any better and it would be better for us to find out before dropping the "C-B" Bomb on them.

Ya think?

20 posted on 02/22/2007 12:52:40 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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