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To: Kolokotronis
declares ex cathedra a dogma which the Laos tou Theou clearly have rejected and which then persists in that dogma.

If my understanding is correct, the laity did not begin to reject the ban on ABC until they saw that other Christians were beginning to permit it, and even then any deviations prior to the release of the encyclical were due to the anticipation that Pope Paul VI would "change the doctrine" to "bring the Church in line with the times."

That's how I understand it... I don't know firsthand because I wasn't there, as I wasn't born yet.

Also, so far as ABC and the Orthodox goes, would it not be more prudent, considering both the side effects even of the non-abortifacient methods and the arguments from the Fathers as provided, to suggest NFP? Would this not especially be so if there is any doubt concerning it as a doctrine of the ancient Church (as Paul VI and Catholics since have claimed?)

(Just some thoughts I had)

38 posted on 02/15/2007 5:24:31 PM PST by GCC Catholic
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To: GCC Catholic

" If my understanding is correct, the laity did not begin to reject the ban on ABC until they saw that other Christians were beginning to permit it, and even then any deviations prior to the release of the encyclical were due to the anticipation that Pope Paul VI would "change the doctrine" to "bring the Church in line with the times."

That's how I understand it... I don't know firsthand because I wasn't there, as I wasn't born yet."

Oh I don't know why Catholics rejected it. It may be for the reasons you said. I was alive and kicking back then, but frankly wasn't paying that much attention! :) I will say that perhaps the anticipation was because the people saw that prior teachings were too rigid and should be changed. You know, for many, many centuries, The Church ranked abortion far below such sins as murder and even adultery because of deficient knowledge on the biology of conception.

"Also, so far as ABC and the Orthodox goes, would it not be more prudent, considering both the side effects even of the non-abortifacient methods and the arguments from the Fathers as provided, to suggest NFP? Would this not especially be so if there is any doubt concerning it as a doctrine of the ancient Church (as Paul VI and Catholics since have claimed?"

Maybe some spiritual fathers do suggest that. In any event, I do think Orthodoxy is wise to leave this to the spiritual father of the couple or their bishop.


39 posted on 02/15/2007 5:38:42 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: GCC Catholic

Ping to post #41.


42 posted on 02/15/2007 5:46:24 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: GCC Catholic

I wasn't born at the time either, but your understanding is basically how I heard it too.


65 posted on 02/15/2007 7:28:40 PM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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