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To: Scotswife
What I'm reading is the opinion of men who considered abortion/contraception to be one and the same. Well...they aren't.

I have to agree with you there. My rule for anytime someone claims that this and that are the same thing is to ask why there are two different terms for it. Abortion and contraception are two different things. They do share some qualities; i.e. sinful and frustrating the natural order.

I'm also reading opinions of men who believed any sex outside of procreation is sinful...well - that isn't true either.

I also agree with this. To say that sex is only for pro-creation is the flipside of saying it's purely for pleasure. Just as the early Church struggled with trying to understand the nature of God and the Trinity and wrestling with the various ideas about Him, the Church has also wrestled with the nature of Christian sexuality. At first, things are seen through a glass darkly, in time things become clearer. The Church has more precisely pointed to the breach created between the recreational and procreational aspects of sex as the problem. While the early Fathers ought to be considered for a complete understanding, the Chair of Peter holds the keys.

I would hope that those Christians who find birth control perfectly acceptable find pause when considering that ALL Christian denominations were against birth control until about the 1930's. Do they seriously believe that they are unaffected by secularist Age of Enlightenment thinking in this regard? That their opinion on this matter has Nothing To Do with the tempora and the mores in which they find themselves? I also believe that the path from acceptance of birth control (sex is for pleasure) has lead to the eventual acceptance of homosexuality. To be sure there are those who still maintain the acceptance of birth control while not accepting homosexuality, but there are always those with one foot on the old paradigm and one on the new. There were those who only accepted contraception for married couples only but never unmarried folks. How long do they think that society can be in for a penny but not for a pound? It never works that way, the acceptance of one part of a new paradigm logically and empirically leads society to accept the whole kit and caboodle.

Don't worry about scolding me. Believe me when I tell you I have been properly scolded by many good catholics, and that still hasn't settled my questions.

I am not good at scolding as I always regret falling into that mode. Seeing as that approach hasn't worked on you yet I shall try another recourse. Although considering the distinct possibility of terminal stubborness, I've no idea what that recourse may be...

161 posted on 02/17/2007 3:11:53 PM PST by TradicalRC ("...this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever..."-Pope St. Pius V)
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To: TradicalRC

"Although considering the distinct possibility of terminal stubborness, I've no idea what that recourse may be..."

LOL!!!
Yes...I have been told many times how stubborn I am.
To be honest I would say I am someone who has become terminally FRUSTRATED.
A feeling like I have been backed into a corner with no way out.
Not that I haven't been informed of the choices I have mind you...I have been informed my choices are to continue to endanger my physical and mental health OR to live a life of celibacy with my husband.
Neither of which seems reasonable to me at the moment.


162 posted on 02/17/2007 3:17:54 PM PST by Scotswife
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