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To: Captain Gates

I see your line of reasoning, but if this reasoning is to be followed through, then we as Catholics have to stop saying that 1 out of every 3 pregnancies is miscarried in the first trimester and start saying that over 2.5 out of every 3 pregnancies are miscarried in the first trimester because an overwhelming majority of life never develops.

That said, I'm still not sure I agree that a zygote seeking a home = life when 80% of them will not find a home, not implant, not develop past an 8-celled organism. Is a genetically whole zygote that cannot grow because it doesn't implant "life"? I don't have a yes or no answer and I can't just say "life has begun" because a zygote exists. It seems to me that, if a zygote is life, God has created human beings to cause a massive waste of life given the absurdly high percentage that never implant. God is not known for creating waste. So I still have no very good conclusion because I don't find any arguments pro unimplanted zygotes as life to be entirely persuasive.

I'm not saying that on this belief I'm going to go out and shoot myself up with Depo-Provera but I do think the modern Church needs to address head-on and in an unimpeachable philosophical manner the issue of whether all these unimplanted zygotes are "life" and the fact of all these millions of souls who are in heaven without getting past the 8-cells phase. Does that mean that I, an only child, may have 15 siblings? Sometimes I just have to throw up my hands and say "that just doesn't sit right with me" and the argument of all the souls of unimplanted zygotes going to heaven just doesn't sit right with me. Doesn't mean you're not right. Just means I can't really wrap my head around the logic of that.


156 posted on 02/17/2007 2:01:44 PM PST by cammie
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To: cammie

Where are you getting the information that 80% of xygotes are not implanting?

How is this known?

And if life does not begin at fertilization, then when exactly does it begin?


159 posted on 02/17/2007 2:56:25 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: cammie

----"that just doesn't sit right with me"---

Beware of allowing yourself to try and rationalize abortive methods with emotions and empty reasoning. The love of self and of this world will continue to force you to this end until you give them up.

Supposing that you wanted to say that life happened much later after conception. Then what would you call the zygote? What would you call flushing this zygote as the Lord was in the process of knitting that new little child in the womb?

WHAT WOULD YOU CALL KILLING THE SUPPOSED 'PRE-CURSOR' TO GOD'S CREATED HUMAN BEING?

Something less than murder?


Are we playing semantics here? Let's look at the science involved. This is a viable organism that is growing and seeking nourishment from its mother. It is a GENETICALLY WHOLE ORGANISM.... it needs nothing more than nourishment from its mother to continue on to maturity..... and stopping this process..... is stopping this new life. AKA killing/murder.

Yes.... it does seem a shocking statement that your pastor's wife and daughter(for you protestants out there).... your mother and your sister..... your best friend and perhaps YOU are guilty of killing little children. After all, it doesn't feel like murder. The consequences sure don't seem to add up to such a grave sin. Surely it can't be killing God's little creations. It was all just so that we could plan our lives the way we wanted to without children getting in the way..... after all, God surely didn't intend for HIS children to have THAT MANY children. He must have blessed us with birth control to help us keep free of having excess children.....


We are in the last days. I am sorry, but this is a very big deception, and Satan is laughing all the way. It has always been one of his chief goals to rob God of HIS Godly offspring..... to rob Our Lord of the praise that HE would receive from his creation.

Take care what you do. You are not your own but were bought with Christ's blood. YOUR BODY IS NOT YOUR OWN.

Beware my brothers and sisters.


163 posted on 02/17/2007 3:26:16 PM PST by Captain Gates ('kill your TV')
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