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To: spunkets
Where to start.... Perfect man is/was body, soul, and spirit as man was formed, made, and created.

The body was formed, the spirit was created, and man was made aliving soul with his first breath.

Soul is life. Spirit is what God is and gives and is invisible.

Man is the image of the invisible God, per Gen 1:27. Man is the image of the trinity, per Gen 1:26 and Gen 3:22.

2Cr 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospelof Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

As I said, Christ is the image of the invisible God. That doens't mean that Christ looks like God, but that Christ was a perfect representation of the invisible God.

Man was created in God's image when God placed his spirit in him but that doesn't mean that mankind looks like God because God is invisible....

If you use a bit more care in your usage of words you'll stay more Biblically accurate.

John 10:30, " I and the Father are one."

One how? One in purpose and indicating unity because just as he prayed for the apostles to be one...in purpose and in unity.

Jhn 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them;that they may be one, even as we are one,:

Rom 12:5 So we, [being] many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

1Cr 10:17 For we [being] many are one bread, [and] one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

1Cr 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ.

It is true that He was a man. It is not true that all men lie, nor that all men are in need of repentance. See Gen 4. Enoch walked with God. Also, Noah was righteous.

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Num 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Two things: God cannot lie and God is not a man. Jesus Christ is a man. God is not a man....Jesus is...Get it?

God has a free will. What makes you think He can't be tempted? What makes you think temptation causes one to choose evil?

Jam 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God:for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

If Jesus was God then his believers were greater than God in their works:

Jhn 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Now please reflect on what you've been taught, what you thought the Bible said, and what it really says.

God is NOT three, but one and there is but ONE GOD, not three.

33 posted on 02/05/2007 3:51:25 PM PST by Eagle Eye (There oughta be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Eagle Eye
" The body was formed, the spirit was created, and man was made aliving soul with his first breath. Soul is life. Spirit is what God is and gives and is invisible."

Nevermind. God bless.

36 posted on 02/05/2007 4:20:16 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Eagle Eye
"All you have to do is look at the scriptures, but that seems to be something you're not used to doing."

I see, you're not blind. Since you claim to know what you're talking about, I'll lay it out for you.

" Perfect man is/was body, soul, and spirit as man was formed, made, and created."

What is this? Is this a complete thought. It appears to be a claim.

" The body was formed, the spirit was created, and man was made aliving soul with his first breath. Soul is life. Spirit is what God is and gives and is invisible."

What does this mean? The body was formed, the spirit was created. It makes no sense. Man was made a living soul with his first breath? What is a spirit? What is a soul? The body was formed? What is it? What is a body? When a doc works on the body, does he reform it, or fix it's form? What's the diffence between form, create and make.

Re: Man is the image of the invisible God, per Gen 1:27. Man is the image of the trinity, per Gen 1:26 and Gen 3:22.

To which you posted:

2Cr 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospelof Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. An image is a mirror image. God is the image of Christ, so is man.

"Man was created in God's image when God placed his spirit in him but that doesn't mean that mankind looks like God because God is invisible...."

I'm invisible too! Do you know why? To be created in God's image means we are sentient rational beings. It refers to capacity to develop spirit, not that we were given any at all. When God placed his spirit in man? God's Spirit is the Holy Spirit! No one except God was born with the Holy Spirit! One can develop a spirit like His. That is possible because He made Himself known and one can use His gifts to learn and make His teachings and values theirs.

" If you use a bit more care in your usage of words you'll stay more Biblically accurate."

Yeah, right.

Re:"John 10:30, " I and the Father are one."

"One how? One in purpose and indicating unity because just as he prayed for the apostles to be one...in purpose and in unity.

It means He is God! It means His Soul is the Father and His Spirit is the Holy Spirit. His apostles were taught and asked to learn from him so there spirits would copy his as best they could.

" Jhn 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them;that they may be one, even as we are one,:"

May be one in spirit! Not is one in Spirit.

" Rom 12:5 So we, [being] many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

Roman's 12 refers to purpose, which would include spirit. As it acknowledges though, all spirits will be different, have different capacity, but all work towards the one goal of the Church.

" 1Cr 10:17 For we [being] many are one bread, [and] one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread."

One Church.

"1Cr 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ."

Same 1 Cor 12, one Church, with one purpose.

Re: "It is true that He was a man. It is not true that all men lie, nor that all men are in need of repentance. See Gen 4. Enoch walked with God. Also, Noah was righteous.

" Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."

Then Paul's a liar, by his own words. That's your logic.

"Num 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?"

Then Moses lies, by your logic.

" Two things: God cannot lie and God is not a man. Jesus Christ is a man. God is not a man....Jesus is...Get it?"

No, I don't get it. I reject it outright. Jesus is not a liar. He is God. The same way I reject your claims that Paul's a liar and so is Moses, Mary, Enoch, Noah, ect... Jesus is God!

Re: "God has a free will. What makes you think He can't be tempted? What makes you think temptation causes one to choose evil?"

" Jam 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God:for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:"

This refers to God's response to temptation, nothing else.

" If Jesus was God then his believers were greater than God in their works:
Jhn 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. "

You left out John 14:11, and John 14:13.

John 14:11-13
"Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father.

So, it is God that will do whatever they ask, because His work as Jesus is complete and He has returned to the Father in Heaven. Which means they are as before creation as per John 1:1-2, 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning."

"God is NOT three, but one and there is but ONE GOD, not three."

Three persons in one God. God the Father, God the Son, snd God the Holy Spirit. The Trinity.

48 posted on 02/05/2007 8:20:57 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Eagle Eye; Diego1618; the-ironically-named-proverbs2; Jeremiah Jr

It used to be hard for me to comprehend why those ancient Israelites would tenaciously cling to The Baalim. These kinds of threads do a really good job of explaining such mysteries.

Off topic, but a really could word study is the "vinegar" present at the crucifixion, esp. WRT the dietary restrictions of Passover. Chet, mem, tsaddi IIRC...


306 posted on 02/28/2007 5:51:34 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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