Posted on 02/05/2007 10:35:59 AM PST by MichaelTheeArchAngel
>> There is a great deal more proof,but what would the point be? <<
Exactly. What is your point?
There's a trustworthy foundation.
If anybody wonders about trinitarianism, simply study His Word through faith in Christ and let Him guide the believer, categorizing precisely how God reveals and describes His actions with respect to explicit names He has revealed in Scripture.
Such studies simply reveal is is revealed to us in three persons, all one God.
Are you advocating FOR a revision/re-write of Matt 28:19??
OR....
Are you advocating AGAINST a theological view of the Trinity??
You need to clarify what your "proof" is "proving"... please.
Regards...
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1Ti 2:6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
Too bad that the everyday churchgoer doesn't realize the amount of poor interpretation and outright lies there are in the KJV and in most "Church" doctrine.
Worshipping the Trinity is hardly different that worshipping the Baalim.
"Affected," not "effected."
Your blunt assessment is hardly different from the prevailing opinon of some of the Pharisees...
Matthew 12:22-32 refers....
Fortunately, Christ left us with a Church, guided by the Holy Spirit.
Blunt? Yes, but very different.
The Pharisees judged by man's law.
As the article shows, the doctrine of the trinity isn't from the same God that fathered Jesus Christ.
The baalim fooled Isreal just as the trinity fools 'Christians'.
The very name "trinity" is anathema to monotheism.
There is one God and God is one, not three.
Believe what you want, I've learned to expect no more than that from people, they only believe what they want to believe.
Believe what you want, I've learned to expect no more than that from people, they only believe what they want to believe.
And some believe what they believe... as they have committed a lifetime of study, prayer and Biblical homework...
As I am sure you have done likewise....
The Pharisees were operating out of good theology...
They were just to proud of their own position and ambitions...
Some COULDN'T see Jesus...
Others WOULDN"T see Him...
have a good day....
KJV really has nothing to do with it ... every reputable translation includes the trinitarian formula in Matthew 28.
Further, even without it the doctrine of the Trinity is firmly established ... not by any isolated proof text, but by the overwhelming testimony of the whole of Scripture.
The truth is, you've got a Content-Free Sentence Generator, don't you! Did Jim Black sell it to you? I know he's got to have some whopped legal bills about now.
(Might amuse, Steve.)
The doctrine of the trininty has more holes than a collander at a shot gun range.
The Bible CLEARLY says that there is one God and one mediator between God and man, the MAN Christ Jesus.
God is invisible. Jesus was visible.
God is without begining and Jesus had a 'genesis', a birth, a beginning.
God is not a man that he should lie, nor the son of man that he should repent. Jesus was/is a man and was repeated referred to, even referring to himself as 'son of man'.
Jesus is the IMAGE of the invisible God.
If Jesus was God, then Jesus clearly promised that believers would do greater works than God because, he (Jesus) would go to his father. (If Jesus is God then who is the son of God? Jesus?)
God cannot be tempted with evil yet Jesus was tempted in all ways...
So before you yahoos start in with your John 1:1 stuff, answer the CLEAR as written and in context words from the Bible.
IF.... you are interested in a thorough and objective expository catalog of Biblical concepts and Christian doctrine... but presented down here at the "every-man" level where even I can appreciate the scholarship...
I recommend -- simply as an exercise in your own investigation... this is a well-thought-out linear analysis... Agian, just a polite suggestion...
Foundations of Christian Doctrine
Kevin J Conner (& others)
Enjoy...
That's a dishonest statement.
You really mean that if I want to believe what you believe, then I might have accomplished some sort of study.
One need not have academic credentials or an advanced intellect to see that God created the heavens and the Earth and it is that God who fathered the Lord Jesus Christ.
This Jesus Christ was born a baby and grew to be a man who lived a sinless life and was crucified as payment for our sins.
This same Jesus was in the tomb three days and three nights then raised from the dead by God his father who also raised him up to sit on His (God's) own right hand in glory who will one day return for his believers.
The Bible CLEARLY says that there is One God. Clearly.
It also says CLEARLY that Jesus is the only begotten son of God. Clearly.
Some of us don't need high-fallutin' commentaries to tell us what to think, we can clearly read the Bible.
Me? I'm not interested in 'learning' about the trininty any more than Jehu was interested in learning about the baalim.
But I notice that you didn't dare find fault with what I said even though you tried to mock it.
Gee, I wish this article had footnotes to show the sources.
I'd really like to see one of Eusebius' books that had a page 152. Or any page numbers for that matter.
http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/index.htm#Demonstratio_Evangelica_(The_Proof_of_the_Gospel)
BTTT
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