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To: adiaireton8

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I didn’t realize that 2+2=5

How does my saying that true faith in Jesus = Salvation mean instead that true faith in Jesus = 100% accurate doctrine?


257 posted on 05/18/2007 9:07:19 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins
How does my saying that true faith in Jesus = Salvation mean instead that true faith in Jesus = 100% accurate doctrine?

It doesn't, nor did I claim that it does. But you are claiming that whoever believes in the Lord Jesus and confess with his mouth is a true believer and belongs to "His Church" (see #242). So you are using a conception of the Church as only an "invisible Church", i.e. the "set of all believers". That notion of the Church is entirely foreign to the fathers. According to your position, excommunication does not *do* anything to the person being excommunicated, since as long as he "confesses Jesus as Lord and believes in his heart", he is still saved, whether or not He is in the visible Church. Your notion that the Church is only invisible fails to recognize the significance of the keys given to Peter such that whever he bound on earth would be bound in heaven (Matt 16:18-19), and that if the Apostles (and the bishops that succeeded them) forgave the sins of any, they are given, but if they retained the sins of any, there were retained (John 20:23).

-A8

258 posted on 05/18/2007 9:27:04 AM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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