Posted on 01/08/2007 5:34:25 PM PST by dcnd9
With the apostles standing right in front of them, the Bereans searched the scriptures to find if what the apostles were telling them was correct. I guess they were able to figure it out.
After watching the DVD of the documentary that began this thread, I don’t understand how any parent could entrust their children to a parochial school where children are taught that priests are very nearly God themselves who can do whatever they please to whomever they please whenever they please.
A reply is not necessarily an answer. The question is a *who* question and thus requires a *who* answer. You still have not provided a *who* answer, and so you have not yet answered the question.
-A8
My wife interviewed at one, till she was told by a former teacher that it wasn’t the best place. Seems a big donor dictates what goes on. And that happens in MANY private religious schools, no matter what the confession.
Our minds have not been quickened so that men in funny hats can reach us, but so that the Holy Spirit can reach us.
No, you really haven't. And I think I know why.
But then Rome has never looked to the Scriptures first, by your own rationalization in post #66.
Post #66 had nothing to do with where Rome looks, or doesn't look, and it contained no "rationalizations".
A school which teaches that is teaching clericalism, not Catholicism.
Ah, gladly I am Roman. Really Roman. I digg it.
You are not God's counselor, Dr. E. You have your view, good and well. We will have to agree to disagree here, because St. Paul warns us against excessive debate.
You jumped from what I said about Our Lord's Blessed Mother to asking me the following:
Does the Bible tell us to be like Mary? Here all along I thought we were supposed to become more Christ-like, even us women.
We are, but as women and in the communion of saints, Maria is blessed among women, so yes, in a manner of speaking it tells us to imitate her humility, as she is called blessed among us women. There is nothing in that realization that is opposed to conforming ourselves to Christ.
I want to live my faith according to what I believe to be true, and I believe your understanding of the faith, -which I'm not even sure is really Reformed insofar as the Reformers would have advised -is limited by the congenital aversion you have for Rome and the disease of blindness that causes.
I may have disagreements with Rome, but I still love her, there is still truth in her, the gospel is still advanced in her, if in a way that suffers from bloat. To deny that Roman Catholicism is part of the true church of Christ is to be whistling past the graveyard.
Dr. Eckleburg has answered the question. Just because you don’t like the answer is not a reason to insist she give you one you want to hear. Scripture interprets scripture through the Holy Spirit, period.
adiaireton8, I’ve got to run. Got to have oil changed in my car. Will respond later, and thanks.
I couldn’t help but read AG, that you still cannot fathom why God hated Esau. After all your years(?) in RC, if not one of your teachers can answer that, you really need to join a bible group and study ASAP
-A8
-A8
Of course, just like I bet you think all Christians should believe what the RCC says. We'd both be pretty weak apologists if we didn't believe in the accuracy of our faith. We just disagree over those apologetics.
There is one Christian truth declared among a variety of Christians. No one has perfect understanding, but some are more precise than others. And some are just plain wrong.
Reading comprehension is not that difficult. We read the Scriptures and we understand them.
Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin." -- Hebrews 10:14-18"For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Here we learn of our justification by Christ's sacrifice alone. We are acquitted of our sins because He took on the punishment for them.
If a Christian gets this wrong, they've misunderstood quite a bit.
But God gives understanding, and so there's always hope that tomorrow more ears and eyes will be opened to the truth.
Thy hands have made me and fashioned me: give me understanding, that I may learn thy commandments. I am thy servant; give me understandingg, that I may know thy testimonies. The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple. The righteousness of thy testimonies is everlasting: give me understanding, and I shall live. Let my cry come near before thee, O LORD: give me understanding according to thy word." -- Psalm 119:34, 73, 125, 130, 144, 169
"Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures" -- Luke 24:45
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: "The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all." -- Ephesians 1:16-23"Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?" -- Job 38:36
"Give me understanding, and I shall keep thy law; yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart.
"Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
I have confidence of my adoption into the ranks of that church, the body of Christ, by the grace of God alone.
You are not God's counselor, Dr. E.
Do you really think I presume such a thing, AG?
St. Paul warns us against excessive debate.
Where would that be in Scripture, exactly, and what kind of "debate" would he be admonishing?
...your understanding of the faith, -which I'm not even sure is really Reformed insofar as the Reformers would have advised -is limited by the congenital aversion you have for Rome and the disease of blindness that causes.
Wow. So first I'm presumptuous and now I'm not even a reformed Christian and I have a "disease of blindness?"
Maybe it's you who presumes too much, AG. I thank God every day for my life and my understanding. Good luck in your pursuit of the truth. I hope it yields much fruit.
DrE: Of course,
Ok. What is the name of your denomination?
-A8
I’m Presbyterian, currently looking for an Orthodox Presbyterian Church to attend.
I never asked. And you don’t know why God hated Esau either. You have not been his counsellor. I will study the bible with a good pastor, who knows the law/gospel distinction, and not with a bunch of people who in the end, really know no more than I do, but just operate under the delusion that they do.
Thank you, Dr. E.
One of the saddest aspects of this is how a trustworthy priest must suffer for the perfidy of the pederasts. I do think things are better though, now There is more transparency than there ever was. All clergy can live a more open life. The nuns who taught me must have suffered quite a bit having to live a life that provided no quarter to which they could draw for solitude.
Our convent housed 7 or 8 nuns, not all of those nuns had their own rooms. What a dreadful way to live for an extended period of time, don't you think? Everyone needs a tiny place of their own that they can go to when they're feeling misanthropic or when the blues take hold of them. But those things have changed and are probably already yielding good fruit.
That said, Red, something has to be done to give the laity a greater voice. While that's fraught with difficulties too, no doubt, it is a check against vice and depradation. They should do it slowly, methodically and have no compunction about slapping down those who would defy their doctrines. Not easy, I know, but it should be done. The people of God are worthy of trust. Give it to them. And then of course, God embrace and protect us all.
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