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To: ichabod1

***What's amazing to me is the number of people that say they believe solely in scripture, but when you ask them about that "you must eat my body and drink my blood or you have no part in me" thing they say "oh, He didn't really mean that."***

Or the part about "You are Peter and on this Rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Jesus didn't really mean that, either.

Or the part about "Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained." He was just joking about this part, too.

And Paul didn't really mean it when he said: "Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body."

Or that James says in the second chapter of his letter that faith without works is dead - three times!?
14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

For people who believe that the Lord literally created the earth in six 24-hour days, they certainly don't believe that He literally meant what He said in other parts of Scripture. Either the Scriptures are divinely inspired and they mean what they say, or they don't. Can't have it both ways... It makes no logical sense.


136 posted on 12/19/2006 4:07:41 PM PST by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: nanetteclaret
For people who believe that the Lord literally created the earth in six 24-hour days, they certainly don't believe that He literally meant what He said in other parts of Scripture. Either the Scriptures are divinely inspired and they mean what they say, or they don't. Can't have it both ways... It makes no logical sense.

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You're right, which is why we have so many converts to the Church. My mother was one.

138 posted on 12/19/2006 4:16:32 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: nanetteclaret
He also referred to himself as the good shepherd, the light, and the door. One must understand the use of analogy and symbolism.

If one desires a Scriptural refutation of the odd Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation, one needs go no further than Hebrews 10:11-14

11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

I'll leave the rebuttal to the rest your mistaken, non-contextual assertions to others, or another time. Save it to say that God expects us to adapt our understanding to align with the truth of His revelation, not twist the Word to support our man-made philosophies.

142 posted on 12/19/2006 4:28:54 PM PST by pjr12345
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To: nanetteclaret
You need to study context.

I find it ironic that you accept literal canabalism by the diciples instead of symbolism. Then you see symbolism in Peter being called a rock and not Jesus saying that Peter should lie down so that the other diciples can start building a church on top of him. You recognize symbolism too, but only when it fits with your Roman traditionalism.

How about this verse....

John 7:37, 38 ¶ In the last day, that great [day] of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.


Is that literal water flowing out of believers belly's or is that symbolic?

All your examples are easily understood when you understand the entire context surrounding the verses.

Sincerely
163 posted on 12/20/2006 2:58:36 AM PST by ScubieNuc
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To: nanetteclaret
For people who believe that the Lord literally created the earth in six 24-hour days, they certainly don't believe that He literally meant what He said in other parts of Scripture. Either the Scriptures are divinely inspired and they mean what they say, or they don't. Can't have it both ways... It makes no logical sense.

And neither can you. Do you believe that the Lord literally created the earth in six 24-hour days as inspired Scripture clearly states?

Do you believe that Mary had children after Jesus as inspired Scripture clearly states, and that they are named in Matthew 13:55 as inspired Scripture clearly states?

And that man does not live by bread alone [even that blessed bread served in the churches], but by every word that comes from the mouth of God, as inspired Scripture clearly states?

Can't have it both ways... It makes no logical sense.

164 posted on 12/20/2006 4:05:20 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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