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To: Kolokotronis

Sorry, Kolo. But his experience reminds me a bit of Buddhism.

Christ did not call us to seclude ourselves from the world in any permanent way. There are times where we may take time for a retreat to refocus. But entire lives divorced from society seem antipathous to the Great Commission. John lived in the desert, but eventually came out for ministry. Paul apparently spent some time learning, but boy did he engage himself when his ministry kicked into gear! Being in the world but not of it means we actually have to be IN the world.

With that said, meditation and focus on Christ and Scripture will most certainly reap spiritual benefits. We grow through these things and become more like Christ.

I will reiterate though, we do have as much of the Spirit as we are ever going to have when we are saved. Throughout life, He works in our lives so that more and more He has more of us (not speaking of our souls, but rather our devotion).


7,815 posted on 01/27/2007 9:09:08 PM PST by Blogger
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To: Blogger; Mad Dawg; D-fendr; kawaii; kosta50; annalex; jo kus; The_Reader_David; xzins

"Sorry, Kolo. But his experience reminds me a bit of Buddhism."

Christian monasticism, on the surface, isn't just a bit like Buddhism, it appears to be alot like Buddhism and various forms of Hindouism. The ultimate purpose, however, as I am sure you can and do appreciate, is quite different. As I said in my earlier post, Christian monasticism is known from the first days of Christianity. +John the Baptist, as you will remember, lived the life of a solitary in the desert as other men and women do to this day and have since the Resurrection. The deserts of the Holy Land, Egypt, Syria, Turkey, Western Iraq, Sudan and Ethiopia are filled, literally, with the ruins of monasteries and the cave dwellings of monks. All of Eastern Europe is filled with them. In the West, monasticism was firmly established by the very holy +Benedict of Nursia in the late 5th - early 6th centuries.

The monks and nuns pray for their own repentence and for the salvation of the whole world. The holiness of some of these people and places can be so intense that creation can be actually altered back to a pre-Fall state around them. They also often act as spiritual fathers and mothers to people who live in the world. Their very existence serves as a sort of spiritual beacon to the world. For us Orthodox and for many Latins, these holy people are our spiritual Olympians and in Orthodox cultures the people of the villages, who live "in the world" exist in a sort of synergistic relationship with the monastics in their monasteries (the desert) out on the mountains surrounding those villages.

Were you to make your comment about the Great Commission to a holy monastic, she or he would likely agree with you that it is indeed important to spread the Good News and then point out:

"Look at the birds of the air; they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? And can any of you by worrying add a single hour to your span of life? And why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they neither toil nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not clothed like one of these. But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you - [O] you of little faith? Therefore do not worry, saying, 'What will we eat?' or 'What will we drink?' or 'What will we wear?' For it is the Gentiles who strive for all these things; and indeed your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. But strive first for the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. So do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring worries of its own. Today's trouble is enough for today." Matt. 6:26-34.

This is why Step 17 of the Ladder of Divine Ascent teaches monks:

"Let us monks, then, be as trustful as the birds are; for they have no cares, neither do they gather into barns." +John Climacus

The purpose of the Great Commission is to bring all humanity to the exact point, or at least the desire to be at the exact point, where the monastics are. The Word transforms men so that they die to the self and become like Christ. Sin dies when the old man dies. As sin dies, the distortion of all creation wrought by sin diminishes. Were all of humanity to become like the monastics, all creation would be restored to the pre-Fall state in which God created it. The lion would indeed lie down with the lamb. Christ's sacrifice not only restored our potential for theosis, it also, through our theosis, provided for the restoration of creation which our sin has sullied and perverted.


7,834 posted on 01/28/2007 6:22:19 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Blogger

Actually, in Orthodox experience, the Great Commission and monasticism are quite compatible: Siberia and Alaska were converted by monks going off to live lives of solitary holiness. Notably, St. Herman of Alaska, to whom many of the native peoples attribute their conversion, was a hermit (!).


7,836 posted on 01/28/2007 8:28:40 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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