[HarleyD]

So, your contention is that Luther and Calvin gave sermons on things they didn't actually believe?

Trust me, Luther and Calvin were not the type of people to tell you things they didn't believe. (Would you like to know what they actually thought about Catholics?)

There are only so many hours in the day. There were larger issues for Luther and Calvin than researching and talking about the perpetual virginity of Mary. Of course, had they known that the worship veneration of Mary would developed to where it is today, perhaps they would have spent more time on it.

Then again, if this is a "minor" thing that you disagree with the Reformers on, then why is it such a major issue to you today?

People weren't seeing and worshipping Mary floating over corn fields, on grilled cheese sandwiches and mold in tunnels. It has become a cult obsession. Besides, I have more time on my hands than Luther and Calvin.

[wagglebee]

There were larger issues for Luther and Calvin than researching and talking about the perpetual virginity of Mary.

But they obviously believed it or else they would have remained silent on the matter. Lutherans hold these beliefs to this day.

People weren't seeing and worshipping Mary floating over corn fields, on grilled cheese sandwiches and mold in tunnels. It has become a cult obsession.

I am inclined to believe that some of this is absurdly bizarre.

[xzins]

Harley, you make an excellent point. The cult obsession with Mary was not a teaching of the RCC at the time of Luther, Calvin, and Wesley.

Didn't I read earlier that the Immaculate Conception didn't become official until the late 1800's?

That's well after the life of all of them.

[Forest Keeper]

Trust me, Luther and Calvin were not the type of people to tell you things they didn't believe. (Would you like to know what they actually thought about Catholics?)

LOL!!!!! That's a good point, Harley.