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To: kosta50; Buggman; Kolokotronis; Agrarian; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; .30Carbine; Quix

It is not just St. Paul who saw a problem with the Judaizers. St. Peter received a vision that lead him to abolish the major tenet of Judaism, the dietary laws. It was adopted by the Jerusalem Council.

The moving of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday has nothing to do with St. Paul either.


7,278 posted on 01/22/2007 5:19:47 PM PST by annalex
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To: annalex; kosta50; Kolokotronis; Agrarian; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; .30Carbine; Quix
It is not just St. Paul who saw a problem with the Judaizers. St. Peter received a vision that lead him to abolish the major tenet of Judaism, the dietary laws. It was adopted by the Jerusalem Council.

Uh, no, he didn't. Haven't you actually read Kefa's own interpretation of his vision? "You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean" (Acts 10:28).

Kefa himself said that his vision had nothing to do with food; that was just the symbol God used. Further, Kefa quotes the following in his first epistle: "Be holy, because I am holy" (1 Pt. 1:16). Now go look up where that phrase occurs:

Lev. 11:44-45 - right in the middle of the kosher commandments.

Lev. 19:2 - heading up a section which reiterated commandments ranging from keeping the Sabbath, to treating your neighbor correctly, to not eating anything with blood (v. 26), a commandment linked back to the kosher laws.

Lev. 20:7 - heading up a second section reiterating commandments of both sexual purity and the kosher laws.

Hmm . . . he seems to have liked the kosher commandments, since two out of the three places he could have been referring to give them (two out of two if we consider Lev. 19 & 20 to be of a piece, as I do).

So, no, Kefa was most certainly not getting, "Go have a pork and lobster sandwich" out of his vision.

The moving of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday has nothing to do with St. Paul either.

It had nothing to do with any Apostle, nor the Lord, since no such change of the commandment is so much as mentioned in the NT--and in fact, Heb. 4:1-11 makes a point of saying that we should still rest from our works on the seventh day as God did from His.

7,285 posted on 01/22/2007 6:54:56 PM PST by Buggman (http://brit-chadasha.blogspot.com)
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To: annalex; Buggman; Kolokotronis; Agrarian; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; .30Carbine; Quix
St. Peter received a vision that lead him to abolish the major tenet of Judaism, the dietary laws. It was adopted by the Jerusalem Council

I know, +Peter was in a "trance." Sometimes, biblical stories amaze me.

The problem I see with this (rather convenient vision) is why did God bother giving Moses the Law? In the Hebrews, it is clear that it was not the Covenant with God that was at fault but that the people of Israel made it faulty. The New Covenant prophesied in the Old Testament is for for the Jews, as the Old One was, and not for the Gentiles.

7,289 posted on 01/22/2007 9:05:03 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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