[P-Marlowe]

Padre, why would anyone who understands that God is "Ο ΩΝ" or who prays the Creed then believe that the Theotokos is the mother of God the Father?

Simple logic, my friend.

If there is only one God and the Father is God and Mary is the Mother of God, then Mary is the Mother of the Father.

[Kolokotronis]

"Simple logic, my friend." Exactly, and therein lies the rub. Trinitarian theology isn't about simple logic. How does "simple logic" explain "Ο ΩΝ"? Expressed as best it can be in English, what is logical about the "existence" of Him Who creates "existence"? I suppose we could begin a discussion of what is meant by "hypostasis" if you want, but we'll end up at the same place where simple logic does little if any good.

[blue-duncan]

I think I've found the hymn that explains this knotty theological conumdrum.


www.ziplo.com/grandpa.htm

[The_Reader_David]

The idea of subordinating God to categories of human logic is responsible for much mischief. Whether it's Origen's neoplatonism, John Italus trying to give rational explanations for the Eucharist, scholasticism with its 'created grace', or 'sola scriptura' which is never as advertised, but represents the replacement of Holy Tradition with a rationalistic human tradition as the context in which the Scriptures are read, inisiting that God fits into our created logical frameworks leads to hersies.

Jesus is God, the Son: Mary gave birth to Him: Mary is the Mother of God.

Only one Person of the Trinity is Incarnate: only the Son has a mother according to the flesh: Mary is not the mother of the Father or the Spirit.

Keep logic, which is the deep structure of created binary distinction, none of which are applicable to God, in its proper place.