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To: Kolokotronis; Quix; hosepipe; Dr. Eckleburg
me: That, my beloved sisters and brothers, is the Spiritual discernment I have received of John 6 - we are to feed on Him, The Living Word of God. That is the meaning of Lord's command, "take, eat, this is my body" and "Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." (Matt 26)

Kolokotronis: Who told you this, AG?

It is the discernment I have received from the indwelling Spirit (Romans 8, John 14-17, John 1, Rev 19) concerning these passages of Scripture (emphasis mine):

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. - Matt 4:4

Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. – 1 Cor 10:1-4

Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. - John 6:28-35

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. I am that bread of life. Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat?

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever. - John 6:47-58

BTW, the above - and John 3 concerning being born again - are two passages I often use as examples of truths which can only be Spiritually discerned, i.e. reasoning and sensory perception fail.


7,036 posted on 01/19/2007 11:31:21 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Beautiful work.. just lovely.. bullseye..


7,038 posted on 01/19/2007 11:41:24 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Quix; hosepipe
Discernment, eh? Well that is certainly a virtue much sought after. Many people think they have been given this gift but our distorted nature often leads us to believe that which isn't true. Man has a near infinite capacity for self-delusion, especially when helped along by the Evil One. You know, AG, a person sincerely seeking God and attempting to conform his or her existence to Christ will invariably attract the attention of demons. We have all experienced this quite consciously with the attacks of the logismoi. They aren't of any great concern, but there are far more powerful demons out there. Among their most powerful tools is deception and their ability to take advantage of that tendency to self delusion I mentioned.

So...discernment. Here's what +John Cassian had to say to his monks:

"It is discernment which in Scripture is described as they eye and the lamp of the body. This is what the Saviour says, 'our eye is the light of your body, and if your eye is sound then there is light in your whole body. But if your eye is diseased then your entire body will be in darkness'. This eye sees through all the thoughts and actions of a man, examining and illuminating everything which we must do. And if it is not sound in a man, that is, if it is not fortified by good judgment and by well-founded knowledge, if it is deluded by error and by presumption, this makes for darkness in our entire body. The clear thrust of the mind as well as everything we do will be shadowed and we shall be wrapped in the blindness of sin and the blackness of passion. 'If the light within you is darkness,' says the Saviour, 'what a darkness that will be'. For let no one doubt that our thoughts and our works, which originate from the deliberative processes of discernment, will be caught up in the shadows of sin if ever the good judgment of our heart goes astray or is taken over by the night of ignorance."

Error in belief and presumption can destroy the soul.

7,046 posted on 01/20/2007 6:13:34 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Thank you. well spoken and outstanding delivery of a true heart.


7,049 posted on 01/20/2007 6:33:50 AM PST by Cvengr
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