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To: annalex; hosepipe; wmfights; betty boop; .30Carbine; cornelis; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe
Works done for obligation or for reward is very clearly described as not salvific in Romans and Galatians -- we don't have any dispute with St. Paul on that score.

And here we have an irreconcilable difference because I aver that if anyone - anyone - ever was good enough ("works") to get into heaven then Christ died for nothing.

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. - Gal 2:21


6,850 posted on 01/18/2007 11:29:54 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

And here we have an irreconcilable difference because I aver that if anyone - anyone - ever was good enough ("works") to get into heaven then Christ died for nothing.

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. - Gal 2:21

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Including Mary; whom Christ thoughtfully shuffled off to John for care.


6,876 posted on 01/19/2007 4:34:35 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; wmfights; betty boop; .30Carbine; cornelis; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe
if anyone - anyone - ever was good enough ("works") to get into heaven then Christ died for nothing.

This does not follow. Christ died so that your works may have the fruit of salvation. Without Him, they would be dead, see Romans 3-5. With Him, they brign you to the finish line:

24 Know you not that they that run in the race, all run indeed, but one receiveth the prize? So run that you may obtain. 25 And every one that striveth for the mastery, refraineth himself from all things: and they indeed that they may receive a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible one. 26 I therefore so run, not as at an uncertainty: I so fight, not as one beating the air: 27 But I chastise my body, and bring it into subjection: lest perhaps, when I have preached to others, I myself should become a castaway.

(1 Corinthians 9)


6,937 posted on 01/19/2007 11:12:47 AM PST by annalex
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