[Quix]

BTW, I don't think any honorable, earnest Christian sets out to set himself or his group up to be valued, lofted more highly than Holy Spirit.

Satan just uses all our humanness to achieve it in tiny increments. And the longer the effort, sadly, typically, the worse the result as satan is very good at that strategy.

[Mad Dawg]

It's probably a good thing that most Pope's don't live too long. And, of course I'm late to the party, but my guess is that many Catholics, while not liking all the current outcomes, would think that John XXIII and Paul VI and Vatican II did a lot of, well, crud removal.

From where I am, despite some solecisms, I think JP II was the right man at the right time. The upheaval of aggiornomento was mostly tidied up and put in order during the Papacy of JP the Great.That's how it looks from here. And so, while, yeah and uh-HUH, the tendency to get a lot of say placque in the arteries is inevitable in any group involving human type personnel, What I got from this is when the children of Israel are in the water up to their necks and Pharaoh's army is at the shore, then God parts the water.