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To: blue-duncan
they were Greek not Hebrew scholars.

This is not my problem. If you lack experts in Hebrew, find one. The fact is that Lot is called brother of Abraham in Hebrew (and in the Greek Septuagint), just like James is called brother of Jesus in Greek.

Yes since they were common names

Now you insist that the inspired Evangelists decided to confuse us by using identical sets of names of different people without clarification of the difference in their relation to Jesus. Why? To suit your prejudice against the normative reading.

Yes however the sister could be Salome

The reference is to Now there stood by the cross of Jesus, his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalen. (John 19:25)

The original has no commas. You prefer the comma, inserted by the English translator, to mean enumeration. I prefer that coma to mean clarification, since an attempt is made to name everyone, and by your reading Salome would be one unnamed.

Here some more quandaries, from the excellent post by Interested Questioner:

Paul describes James as the brother of our Lord. (Gal 1: 19) Jude describes himself as the brother of James. (Jude 1: 1) Luke describes Jude as the son of James (Luke 6:16, Acts 1:13) Clearly, Scripture is not using the same degree of precision in describing relations that we typically use in English. And Scripture was not written in English.

583 posted on 12/07/2006 10:49:42 AM PST by annalex
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To: annalex

Matt. 13:53 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these parables, he departed thence.
54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?
55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

The statement is clear. The officers of the synagogue, no friend of Jesus and yet familiar with His family, familiar enough to identify the work his father does, his mother's name and his brother's name and that thefamily lives in the same community. They recognize Jesus as;

the carpenter's son,
Mary's son,
brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon,
brother of his sisters.

Then they say that the family "all" is still with them i.e. living among them. An outsider would not use the familiar term "brethren" to refer to Jesus' entourage.


607 posted on 12/07/2006 1:47:56 PM PST by blue-duncan
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