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To: annalex; Wallace T.; Kolokotronis; kosta50
Transubstantiation is taught by the Catholic Church and is treated as compatible with the Orthodox teaching, and as far as I know with all other Churches (pre-Chalcedon) that have a valid apostolic succession. This is therefore a part of the teaching as commanded by Christ in his Great Commission to the apostles, which is a scriptural fact.

I could VERY well be wrong about this, but I have a vague memory from the L&E thread that the Orthodox don't agree with "something" about Transubstantiation, but I can't remember what it is.

572 posted on 12/07/2006 8:21:59 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; annalex; Wallace T.; Kolokotronis; kosta50
I could VERY well be wrong about this, but I have a vague memory from the L&E thread that the Orthodox don't agree with "something" about Transubstantiation, but I can't remember what it is

Inasmuch as it means "Real Presence," i.e. True Body and True Blood of our Lord and Savior,it is in full agreement with Orthodoxy.

Eastern Orthodox, however, do not attempt to "explain" how God's Mysteries (Sacraments) happen.

In Eastern Orthodoxy, the priest asks the Holy Spirit to intercede and change mysteriously the blessed bread and wine into Body and Blood (epiklesis). In the Catholic Church, the epiklesis is invoked, but is less prominent, because the change is mediated by the priest, acting in the place of Christ.

With that we do not agree. Both traditions have always maintained the Real Presence, but the theory of transubstantiation is alien to Orthodox phronema (mindset).

579 posted on 12/07/2006 10:30:11 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Forest Keeper; Wallace T.; Kolokotronis; kosta50
the Orthodox don't agree with "something" about Transubstantiation

They don't agree with the scholastic precision with which it is defined in the West and prefer not to attempt to verbalize a mystery.

590 posted on 12/07/2006 11:22:37 AM PST by annalex
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