[Dr. Eckleburg]

HARLEY: Do you believe God required a sacrifice and that Christ was our substitution on the cross who paid our penalty?

ANNALEX: No, God definitely does not want a sacrifice

KOSTA50: That's blasphemy.

Before coming to these threads I never dreamed the basic nature of salvation was held in such low regard by our RC and EO FRiends. Flabbergasting. We may as well toss out Hebrews and practically ever other book in Scripture if we deny that Christ was the lamb slain for our sins from the foundation of the world who took upon Himself the punishment that was rightfully ours in order to present us blameless before God.

Sadly, it does appear to be a different Gospel.

"And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour." -- Ephesians 5:2

"Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation." -- Hebrews 9:25-28

"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." -- Romans 5:19

[.30Carbine]

How happy I am to see us in agreement! (:

[Quix]

Important points, imho.

[kosta50]

Before coming to these threads I never dreamed the basic nature of salvation was held in such low regard by our RC and EO FRiends

Could you find some other Apostle who calls it a sacrifice? Did Jesus ever say he was sacrificing Himself because the Father demanded it?

Whatever great things +Paul did for the Church (for, without him the Church would have died out in Israel), the man never saw Christ in Person. He never ate with Him. He never walked with Him. Yet, without him the protestans would not be Christians.

Whereas the Gospels narrate what Chirst said and did, +Paul interprets why He did. I find that a little strange that he would do that.

It's almost like his own brand of Christianity, but after the fact.

[annalex]

The question is, did God demand the sacrifice of the Cross, not whether it was given.