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To: annalex; Mad Dawg; kawaii; Kolokotronis; kosta50; D-fendr; Blogger; P-Marlowe; jo kus
My statement is not inaccurate. I provided references from the Catholic website for verification. No where in your 3 points do I see a sacrificial blood atonement for our sins and you know Catholics no longer believe in the blood atonement because you were the one to bring it up.

You reference St. Anselm in regards to the Orthodox teaching. Please look at New Advent. Catholics claim their doctrine is derived (modified) from St. Anselm as well.

I find Catholics tend to say things are inaccurate when, in fact, they are simply an analysis of their own doctrine.


5,493 posted on 01/12/2007 4:43:53 PM PST by HarleyD ("...even the one whom He will choose, He will bring near Himself." Num 16:5)
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To: HarleyD; Mad Dawg; kawaii; Kolokotronis; kosta50; D-fendr; Blogger; P-Marlowe; jo kus

My (3) is what you might call blood atonement.


5,494 posted on 01/12/2007 4:45:56 PM PST by annalex
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To: HarleyD
I find Catholics tend to say things are inaccurate when, in fact, they are simply an analysis of their own doctrine.

No doubt. On the other hand, sometimes the analysis overlooks something. In the case in question when WE read the sentence we saw three notions about the atonement and I understood you to say that there was only ONE notion and that was the "exemplary" notion. And in answer to this point annalex says there is a "blood atonement" in Catholic thinking.

I would have said that in both the Satisfactory (Anselm) and in the Sacrificial notions blood was central. One "use" of sacrificial blood in Leviticus is to re-make a connection between the Lord and His people, so both the altar and the people are Sprinkled with blood. And we who make so much of the Blood of Christ in the Eucharist, "my blood of the new covenant", I would have expected to be told it's too much a part of our thought and spirituality, not that it's not enough.

I bet we may find a miscommunication on "blood atonement", that's what I bet.

5,513 posted on 01/12/2007 5:49:49 PM PST by Mad Dawg ('Shut up,' he explained.)
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