[kawaii]

Well the immaculate conception is a Catholic idea not an Orthodox one.

[Mad Dawg]

Oh yeah, roger that. In fact that's kind of why I asked.

I was stumbling over the relationships among sinlessness, salvation, and death, and the temporal nature (if any) of acts of Divine grace. Someone was saying that IF the Immaculate Conception WERE true, why then Mary would not need a savior. TO me that just doesn't seem to follow necessarily and someone else was saying that to think so would be Pelagian (Sorry, I don't remember who said what.) So I was wondering ...

And Yessir, Kolokotronis: The statement has three of what I think of as the four aspects of the Work of Christ, to wit:

1. "Classic": Stomping the Devil
2. "Sacrificial": Making a new Union by His Sacrifice
3. "Satisfactory": Paying the debt of Sin
4. "Exemplary": Revealing God to us who do not Know Him.

Each of these unfolds with great richness in many directions, and certainly the last has an ethical aspect. But I don't think any of these aspects exhausts the richness of the Atonement.

But that's just me.

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