[kawaii]

Samiam mentions that if Mary didn't sin she wouldn't need saving. That's not true.

The reason for our need for a savior was not only from sin alone, but from the effects of the fall denying us eternal life. Even if she never personally sinned that would not save her.

The idea that it would have is Pelagianism.

[Mad Dawg]

I am NOT attacking. I am really wondering here. I want that to be clear. 'Cause I was wondering about theosis and, uh, athanatosis, I was wondering how this would go.

The reason for our need for a savior was not only from sin alone, but from the effects of the fall denying us eternal life. Even if she never personally sinned that would not save her.

The idea that it would have is Pelagianism.

Comments? I'm not sure samiam was saying that. I wouldn't have thought that the act of God that accomplished the Immaculaate Conception was that only thing God did for Mary. Certainly, in all the ins and outs of merit and grace there is always the grace of God operating at every step.

On the flip side, "The wages of sin is death."

I also deny playing "Let's you and him fight." I'd love to read y'all's thoughts on this

[samiam1972]

"Samiam mentions that if Mary didn't sin she wouldn't need saving. That's not true."

That's not what I said. I'm sorry if it came across that way. I meant that Mary was saved from Original Sin before birth. God did this for her. It wasn't anything she did for herself. Is that better?