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To: Kolokotronis; wmfights
Works don't get you into heaven. The Fathers are real clear on that. A similitude to Christ is the key.

That said scripture AND the Church Fathers are clear that if one has faith, one evidences that faith in works. 'Faith without works is dead'.
5,211 posted on 01/11/2007 3:52:38 PM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: kawaii

Are you saying this? We Protestants believe that works is EVIDENCE of your faith. But do not save you. Only Christ's atonement saves. And the faith in what He did is how that similitude comes about. If one doesn't have works, it is a reason to be concerned that they are not saved.


5,214 posted on 01/11/2007 3:56:49 PM PST by Blogger
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To: kawaii; wmfights

"That said scripture AND the Church Fathers are clear that if one has faith, one evidences that faith in works. 'Faith without works is dead'."

Oh, indeed. Faith will always transform us to an extent, which will lead to conforming ourselves to Christ's image in the way we live. That in turn causes us to focus more on Christ, which leads us to further conformance of our lives with Christ etc, etc. Its like the quotes from +Symeon the New Theologian and +Anthony the Great I posted earlier. One must remember, though, that this conformance is something worked on us; its not like a bribe to God.


5,218 posted on 01/11/2007 4:01:24 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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