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To: adiaireton8

"Perpetual virginity" is very different from "intact, physical" virginity after natural childbirth which strikes many Christians as ludicrous.


505 posted on 12/06/2006 5:12:38 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The distinction you're making is modern, and thus applying the distinction to the Fifth Ecumenical Council is anachronistic.

-A8

506 posted on 12/06/2006 5:15:09 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Perpetual virginity" is very different from "intact, physical" virginity

In other words, in those times the claim that someone remained a virgin perpetually was not intended to claim only that such a person never had sexual relations. It was also an implicit claim about their physical integrity. So, for example, in a sermon of the Council of Ephesus, it is said: "After giving birth, nature knows not a virgin". That's 431 AD.

And Augustine says (Sup. Joan. Tract. 121): "To the substance of a body in which was the Godhead closed doors were no obstacle. For truly He had power to enter in by doors not open, in Whose Birth His Mother's virginity remained inviolate."

-A8

508 posted on 12/06/2006 5:27:12 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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