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To: wmfights
So, when Paul ordained Timothy Bishop, as Scripture Teaches. y'all just gainsay that?

When Matthias takes Judas' Bishopric....And they appointed two, Joseph, called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. And praying, they said: Thou, Lord, who knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, To take the place of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas hath by transgression fallen, that he might go to his own place.

Eph 2...Now therefore you are no more strangers and foreigners; but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and the domestics of God, Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone:

Eph 4.. He that descended is the same also that ascended above all the heavens, that he might fill all things. And he gave some apostles, and some prophets, and other some evangelists, and other some pastors and doctors, For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ

*You know, as sola scripturists, y'all gonna have to review it more carefully before making unsupportable assertions

4,899 posted on 01/10/2007 11:42:42 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic
When Matthias takes Judas' Bishopric....And they appointed two, Joseph, called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. And praying, they said: Thou, Lord, who knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, To take the place of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas hath by transgression fallen, that he might go to his own place.

What book, chapter and verse is this?

4,934 posted on 01/10/2007 4:10:35 PM PST by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: bornacatholic
When Matthias takes Judas' Bishopric....

The Apostles were not Bishops. Mathias replacing Judas made him an Apostle, not a Bishop.

*You know, as sola scripturists, y'all gonna have to review it more carefully before making unsupportable assertions

Clearly your not reading with enough discernment. The Apostles were not Bishops. They were missionaries.

4,946 posted on 01/10/2007 5:09:54 PM PST by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: bornacatholic; wmfights
"When Matthias takes Judas' Bishopric"..."Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone"

The word used for Judas in Acts 1:20 is ministry, overseer, not the formal office of Bishop. That formal title did not come into use until sometime in the late 1st century when Ignatius wrote a letter to the Ephesian church. In Acts the term episcopos is used interchangeably with diaconate and apostle (Acts 1:25). Until Pentecost there was no church for Judas to be "Bishop" of.

Ephs.20:17, "And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church." There is no scripture that says these men were ever ordained. This was an important church, the first that Paul planted in Asia Minor after being denied the ministry there by the Holy Spirit. One would think that if ordination or the laying on of hands was so important it would have been mentioned here.

In Ephs. 20:28, "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood". Paul now call these Elders, episcopos, overseers and says they were appointed by the Holy Spirit, not Apostles or any one else. There were more than one Elders, overseers in the church at Ephesus as there were in most of the churches in the first century. It was not until late in the first century and early second century that the monarchial office of Bishop began. It was not a New Testament phenomenon.

Rev. 21:14, "And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb." Now Paul says he was an Apostle born of of due time. Who are the twelve Apostles that make up the foundations?
4,961 posted on 01/10/2007 6:22:08 PM PST by blue-duncan
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