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To: HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg
It's theological hair splitting in my opinion. All one has to do is look up veneration in the dictionary.

Okay. So let's be clear. You can say we commit idolatry and worship Mary. We can say we don't. And that's the end of the converstion because the distinction which seems critical to us is mere hairsplitting to you.

So what's the purpose of the conversation? We just sit here while you charge us with breaking the first and second commandments and then we all say, "Have a nice day (or not)," and go our ways?

Even after I've thought about it, it doesn't seem to be hairsplitting to me. I know the difference between a ceqture and the Creator even if y'all don't think I do.

The way some people here haul out lengthy quotes from authors I've never heard of, there seems to me to be right much veneration (if not worship) going on among some of the Protestant brethren. "It is so because So-and-so says it is; looky here." And, just for completeness, any claims that these authors were quoted for their clarity of expression rather than their authority will be considered mere hairsplitting and parsing by me. (I'm kidding while trying to make a point.)

And, no, I think some idolaters talk about their images as though something or somebody were there. Certainly the ashtaroth and herms and what not were considered intrinisically sacred.

4,705 posted on 01/09/2007 2:00:22 PM PST by Mad Dawg (horate hoti ex ergon dikaioutai anthropos kai ouk ek pisteos monon; Jas 2:24)
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To: Mad Dawg

I think the clearest distinction of idolatry is mistaking the finite for the infinite.

Which would indicate some degree of what's in the subject's mind matters and that it can occur with pretty much any finite object, including even a Bible.


4,707 posted on 01/09/2007 2:29:12 PM PST by D-fendr
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To: Mad Dawg; Dr. Eckleburg
You can say we commit idolatry and worship Mary. We can say we don't....So what's the purpose of the conversation?

All we can do is speak the truth in love. It becomes your responsibility and prayerful consideration to try to understand if we're correct-if this is or is not what God intends for you to do. You alone are responsible and answerable to God.

4,726 posted on 01/09/2007 4:17:49 PM PST by HarleyD ("...even the one whom He will choose, He will bring near Himself." Num 16:5)
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