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To: Blogger
Kosta. You're irritating me.

The feeling is mutual, Blogger.

"HOW DARE YOU QUOTE CALVIN OR CALVINISTS"

Are those my quotes you are imputing? I can't think of as reason why you could not (let alone dare not) quote John Calvin!

If I quote a Calvinist like Sproul who is explicitly explaining a doctrine, you reject it as well.

Blogger, I don't reject Calvin, I reject Protestantsim, period, no matter what flavor.

I merely observed that what you call "Calvinism" is not what other TULIPs call "Calvinism" on this Forum. Please take that up with them, not me.

They explicitly deny free will, even mock it. Your statement stood out in such sharp contrast to theirs that I had to make a remark, but that remakr was intended only to move you to discuss this with them, not me.

You're just interested in constructing your straw men with which to try to burn us

LOL!!! I have no desire to burn anyone. You are reading my mind and my intention. That's really an ad hominem.

4,559 posted on 01/08/2007 9:49:42 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg

Kosta. You made a statement. You said what I believed wasn't Calvinism. I quoted Calvin and some Calvinists to prove to you that it was Calvinism. They you complained that I quoted Calvin since I do not follow a man. I will not chase my tail for you. You either want to talk or you don't.

You have articulated a couple of times that what I write is not Calvinism. I have shown you differently. Free will is denied in post-fall man. Not in pre-fall man. If some are saying that nobody was ever free, then they are not following the Scriptural doctrines that were articulated by John Calvin and others Reformers. But you know what, that's okay as long as it is based on Scripture. I believe and John Calvin believed that Adam and Eve had free will to choose to do good. We also believed that when they sinned they destroyed that freedom so that their progeny would always be inclined towards evil. I really don't think my Calvinists brothers and sisters feel differently about that. Saying that God ordained the fall does not deny the free will of the first man. But today, man does not have freedom of will for he has willfully bound himself in chains of sin to where he is not free. He is desirous of anything but God. And truly, Kosta, only in Christ do we have true freedom. Whom the Son sets free is free indeed.


4,562 posted on 01/08/2007 10:01:53 PM PST by Blogger (In nullo gloriandum quando nostrum nihil sit- Cyprian)
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To: kosta50

I understand your reticence. Send them to us, we'll burn 'em, for ya :)


4,575 posted on 01/09/2007 5:17:52 AM PST by bornacatholic
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