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To: D-fendr

It was horrific everywhere. Including in Roman Catholicism. After all, while Luther is noted for antisemitism, it isn't the Lutherans who are continuously labeled as anti-semites for accusations of blood libel.

Lets just suffice it so say, NONE of Christianity did its job towards the Jews in the Middle ages. Fair?


4,362 posted on 01/07/2007 8:43:20 PM PST by Blogger (In nullo gloriandum quando nostrum nihil sit- Cyprian)
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To: Blogger

Oops, there's that word again. Scratch that. Agreed?


4,363 posted on 01/07/2007 8:43:42 PM PST by Blogger (In nullo gloriandum quando nostrum nihil sit- Cyprian)
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Some of Christianity was better, some was worse. Some anti-semitism had less effect; some had more. It may be a matter of degree, but a very large degree.

And we can in no way claim Hitler was a Christian - or a Lutheran. But this is a subtopic of Martin Luther's letters and writings, his demeanor, personality, and his effect in history. It would seem a jocular old coot was he. Until we look at his role in the tragic Peasant Revolt, his relationship with the state, his view on power, individualism, and the profound effect he had on his people's culture, politic and future.

A large portion of the back and forth here has been between a persecuted holy man and a derranged tyrant. The truth as usual is in betwen. But, I don't believe it benign.

Study Luther on the power of the state and on war. Study the effect of Luther on the German language and body politic; study the 'seven point plan'...

"Through his sermons and his magnificent translations of the Bible, Luther created the modern German language, aroused in the people not only a new Protestant vision of Christianity by a fervent German nationalism and taught them, at least in religion, the supremacy of the individual conscience. But tragically for them, Luther's siding with the princes in the peasant rising, which he had largely inspired, and his passion for political autocracy ensured a mindless and provincial political absolutism which reduced the vast majority of the German people to poverty, to a horrible torpor and a demeaning subservience.
- William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"


“It was Luther, we must understand, who began to Germanise Christianity; National Socialism must complete the process.”
- Alfred Rosenberg, Author of key Nazi ideological creeds, executed at Nuremberg for war crimes.

“I do insist on the certainty that sooner or later—once we hold power—Christianity will be overcome and the German church, without a Pope and without the Bible, and Luther, if he could be with us, would give us his blessing.”
-“Hitler's Speeches”, edited by Professor N. H. Baynes (Oxford, 1942)

This will be the last I post on this. I thought that aspect was relevant and missing, but I don't want to continue it past this.


4,366 posted on 01/07/2007 9:17:03 PM PST by D-fendr
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