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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I keep telling myself I'm going to stay out of this foolishness, but then the Prozac or the gin wears off ...

"Eat this wafer and ingest God Himself into your genetic code."

I don't think you can produce a serious Catholic argument about the doctrine of the Real Presence or of Transubstantiation which says anything about genetic code, or anything close to it.

And if I'm right and you know of no such argument, can you help me form an opinion about what sort of reliability I should attribute to a source which folds such an untruth into a polemical stream as though it were a known fact?

4,317 posted on 01/07/2007 12:09:06 PM PST by Mad Dawg (horate hoti ex ergon dikaioutai anthropos kai ouk ek pisteos monon; Jas 2:24)
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To: Mad Dawg
1) Do you or do you not believe that at a certain and particular point in longitude where the priest raises the wafer it alchemically morphs into the actual body of Jesus Christ? Below that point, it remains flour. Above that point, it is materialistically God Himself.

2) Do you or do you not believe that man is saved by an infusion of grace into his own being, as opposed to the Scriptural understanding that Christ's righteousness is imputed to us, given as payment for our sins so that we may stand acquitted of our sins?

3) Lay off the gin and the artificial serotonin-boosts, and maybe it will be clearer for you.

4,319 posted on 01/07/2007 12:32:33 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Religion Moderator

I see my post was removed, but I was QUOTING MAD DAWG. I was not using these references on my own. I was using HIS WORDS.

MAD DAWG: "I keep telling myself I'm going to stay out of this foolishness, but then the Prozac or the gin wears off ..."


4,320 posted on 01/07/2007 12:39:34 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Mad Dawg; Religion Moderator
I'm happy to restate my questions without using Mad Dawg's light-hearted (I assumed) own words so as not to confuse these posts any further.

I don't think you can produce a serious Catholic argument about the doctrine of the Real Presence or of Transubstantiation which says anything about genetic code, or anything close to it.

1) Do you or do you not believe that at a certain and particular point in longitude where the priest raises the wafer it alchemically morphs into the actual body of Jesus Christ? Below that point, it remains flour. Above that point, it is materialistically God Himself.

2) Do you or do you not believe that man is saved by an infusion of grace into his own being, as opposed to the Scriptural understanding that Christ's righteousness is imputed to us, given as payment for our sins so that we may stand acquitted of our sins?

4,321 posted on 01/07/2007 12:43:50 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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