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To: Blogger
I am not sure what you aim is in continuing this unless you wish to have the final word; if so, just say it.

Your statements are illogical.

Mary gives birth to Jesus; (we agree)
Jesus is 100% God; (we agree)
therefore Mary gives Birth to God; (you disagree!)

Like I said, if you wish the final word, it's yours. The only one who is doing verbal gymanstics is you. Be it as it may, we are not getting anywhere, so let's just say drop it. Can you handle that?

3,198 posted on 12/30/2006 9:54:51 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

You can answer or not answer. You never clarified your prior two statements which seemed to contradict one another. You also did not back down from your accusation that I denied Jesus' divinity - which I guess makes you pretty stubborn (not that there's anything wrong with that).


The incarnation is Illogical (at least according to Man's logic - God's logic is another matter). How can someone be 100% God and 100% Man without mixture of natures, yet unified, and in 1 person? Answer: He's God, we're not. It happened and we don't have a clue how He did it, but He did. Next subject.


Second issue: How can God be a trinity, three persons, yet one God - unchanging and indivisible; and yet it be claimed that one of these indivisible persons has a mother while the other two do not? The truth is it is a paradox. God has no mother, though the person Mary carried in her womb was indeed God. God the Son was eternally preexistent. He had no beginning, therefore He had no mother - as GOD. The key is defining mother. A mother in this instance is the one whom gives you life. Life begins at conception in a mother's womb. Prior to this, there is no life.


Since the beginning of this planet, there have been two ways that people have come into this world. 1)Supernatural creation from the clay or human side (only applicable to Adam and Eve and the creatures created by God in the beginning) 2)Through the egg of a woman known as the biological mother (issues such as surrogacy, adoption, etc., do not apply in this case as we are discussing how one comes into the world.


Since the second person of the Trinity existed eternally prior to the Holy Spirit's union with Mary, Mary did not give him his beginning as God. Divinity entered Mary's womb, but not due to her biological functioning. She did give Him his beginning as a human man (in cooperation with the Holy Spirit). Therefore, calling her Mother of Jesus, as Scripture says, properly puts Mary in her rightful place as mother of Jesus while still preserving Jesus's eternal preexistence and unchangeable nature as God. It also lets one base one's Christology on who the person of Jesus IS rather than who Mary was - as it should be.


3,208 posted on 12/30/2006 10:17:08 PM PST by Blogger
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