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To: Quester; sitetest; BlackElk
Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me.

Christ's discourse after his last supper. (Said to THE APOSTLES, not us laity)

16 And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever. The spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, (Protestant revolutionairies) because it seeth him not, nor knoweth him: but you shall know him; because he shall abide with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you orphans, I will come to you. Yet a little while: and the world seeth me no more. But you see me: because I live, and you shall live. In that day you shall know, that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.

"Paraclete"... That is, a comforter: or also an advocate; inasmuch as by inspiring prayer, he prays, as it were, in us, and pleads for us.

"For ever"... Hence it is evident that this Spirit of Truth was not only promised to the persons of the apostles, but also to their successors through all generations.

But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you. Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, do I give unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, nor let it be afraid. You have heard that I said to you: I go away, and I come unto you. If you loved me, you would indeed be glad, because I go to the Father: for the Father is greater than I. And now I have told you before it comes to pass: that when it shall come to pass, you may believe. I will not now speak many things with you. For the prince of this world cometh, and in me he hath not any thing.

26 "Teach you all things"... Here the Holy Ghost is promised to the apostles and their successors, particularly, in order to teach them all truth, and to preserve them from error.

*So, one either trusts the promises of the Christ, Jesus Our Lord and Saviour, and believes His word went out and did not return void, OR, one is forced into the ineluctable position of having to confess he does not trust the promises of Jesus - in fact, - he is compelled to believe Jesus established a Church and sent the Holy Spirit upon it - and the Church failed.

That is the sole consequence of the protestant ideology. One has to believe Jesus' promises failed. His Church He established fell into error and led innumerable Christians into Hell with its lies and deceptions. Far from Jesus remaining with the Church, far from the Holy Spirit guiding it in all truth, the protestant premise is Jesus established a Church and did not stay with it. He abandoned it. He abandoned His Bride and broke his vows. He let His Bride become a Whore. Not only did He break his vows, He,Jesus, sent the Holy Spirit, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, upon His Church to teach the Church heresies, and lies.

The ineluctable consequences of the protestant ideology is Jesus is Satan.

Well, you are welcome to that ideology. I just don't see how that leads anyone to salvation....

2,828 posted on 12/23/2006 6:02:50 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic
*So, one either trusts the promises of the Christ, Jesus Our Lord and Saviour, and believes His word went out and did not return void, OR, one is forced into the ineluctable position of having to confess he does not trust the promises of Jesus - in fact, - he is compelled to believe Jesus established a Church and sent the Holy Spirit upon it - and the Church failed.

The Church of Jesus Christ has not fallen ... it is, and has always, been with us.

Members of the church have failed, but the Church goes on.

And as Christ Himself says ... we needn't all follow the same human leadership, ... following Him is enough.
Luke 9:49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.

50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
I believe Him.

The ineluctable consequences of the protestant ideology is Jesus is Satan.

In your conclusion, you find yourself at odds with your leadership, ... which views Protestants as "separated brethern" ... in incomplete communion with your Church ... much more like Christ Himself.

2,830 posted on 12/23/2006 6:31:27 AM PST by Quester
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