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Well, was the Logos created of Mary or not? If you say "yes" and thereby the Trinity was not formed until Mary gave birth, then I have a strong disagreement with that position.

All three Persons have eternally existed. I know you are trying to safeguard that truth. That's not the problem. The problem arises in your description of the incarnation. Earlier you said "Since divine Christ was never born . . . " and "The Word" was never born." Notice that in both of your statements, you used the word "born". Now, above, you say, "was the Logos created of Mary or not?" Notice that you switched from "born" to "created". Those are two completely difference concepts. (Perhaps that is the root of the difficulty here.) Mary did not *create* the Logos. But Mary did give birth to the Logos, and is therefore the mother of the Logos. Giving birth to something is not the same as creating it. God created the heavens and the earth; He created it ex nihilo, out of nothing. But He did not "give birth" to the heavens and the earth. God is not Gaia! (In fact, the Gaia religion errors precisely in denying creation ex nihilo.) Mary did not create the Logos, but she did give birth to the Logos. The Person who came from her womb was the Logos, i.e. the eternal Second Person of the Trinity. When we use the term "procreate", we are using the root 'create' only in an analogous manner, not in a univocal manner to the way in which God created the heavens and the earth.

Does that help? (BTW, I don't think you are a Nestorian; I think you are simply trying to preserve an actual truth [the eternity and uncreatedness of each of the three Persons of the Trinity], but your wording in doings so has unintentionally implied Nestorianims.)

-A8

The problem arises in your description of the incarnation. Earlier you said "Since divine Christ was never born . . . " and "The Word" was never born." Notice that in both of your statements, you used the word "born". Now, above, you say, "was the Logos created of Mary or not?" Notice that you switched from "born" to "created". Those are two completely different concepts. (Perhaps that is the root of the difficulty here.)

OK, I think you're onto something. I was using those words interchangeably. Perhaps I should not have. :)

But Mary did give birth to the Logos, and is therefore the mother of the Logos. Giving birth to something is not the same as creating it.

I see and agree.

BTW, I don't think you are a Nestorian; I think you are simply trying to preserve an actual truth [the eternity and uncreatedness of each of the three Persons of the Trinity], ...

Thank you, and thanks for clearing this up. :) Thanks also to Kolo and Kosta for your comments. I never took any actual offense, I was just frustrated at not knowing how I brought this on myself. :) I think we're at the bottom of it now.