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To: adiaireton8
Re: The Nicene creed from 325, 381 holds that the incarnation was before creation. No. None of the councils or creeds or fathers ever said such a thing.

"First Council of Nicea (325)

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God], Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;

First Council of Constantinople (381)

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds (æons), Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;"

Re: " The Father's person is the Holy Spirit.

" That's heresy, either a form of Sabellianism or Monarchianism."

No. I am precise in my use of terms and spirit represents the person of the being. There is no modalism in whst I said.

2,546 posted on 12/20/2006 5:19:34 PM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets
No. I am precise in my use of terms and spirit represents the person of the being. There is no modalism in whst I said.

If you really think there is no heresy in your position, then since I see that you are in Wisconsin, I recommend that you set up an appointment with Bishop Morlino (the bishop of Madison) and talk with him about it. Click here to get his contact information.

-A8

2,551 posted on 12/20/2006 5:42:38 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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