[P-Marlowe]

Pure and unadultereted silliness is denying that Mary carried and gave birth to God the Word.

That is not what you are saying. You are not limiting the birth to the second person of the Trinity, you are saying that Mary is the "Mother of God" with not qualification. Mary did not pre-exist Christ. She gave birth the the human incarnate Christ, the second person of the Trinity. To say, without qualification that Mary is the "Mother of God" is to imply that she pre-existed the Trinity, that she is the Mother of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, which is the one God. She gave birth to the Son, and then only in a human sense.

So quit your silly games. xzins is not denying Jesus divinity. That is a false accustion and you should know it. If you don't know it then it is an ignorant and idiodtic accusation. Take your pick.

[xzins]

Two can play the "gotcha" game.

Why do Kosta & Adi keep spreading the heresy that Mary is the Mother of the Father?

Why do they deny that the Father is God?

[redgolum]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record (which I know I do at times), Xzin's, PM, and the rest of of you gentlemen/women are missing the point of view that Kosta as an EOC, and myself as a Lutheran, mean about the title "Mother of God". Read the history of why that title was chosen. It wasn't to say that Mary was the "source" of the second person in the Trinity. The Logos was in the beginning, Mary had a birth date at a set time. But she was the mother of God because of who Jesus Christ is. True God and True man. As the opening chapter of the Gospel of John says, the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. God, who exists beyond and outside of time, became flesh and entered into time. Jesus is God, and died on the cross for our sins. Mary, as the mother of Jesus, the incarnate God man, is therefore the Mother of God. Not because she "made" the second person in the Trinity, but because of the Incarnation.

[kosta50]

Jesus is also God wihtout qualifications, except among Arians and similar heretics. Either Mary carried and gave birth to a man or to God. There is nothering inbetween. Basic Triniatrian understanidng does not cause confusion as to which Person of the Divine Trinity was born of Virgin Mary. That seems to exist only in some Protestant offshoots.