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To: Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg; Risky-Riskerdo; kosta50
I am most assuredly in the first camp [sic:full control]. :) satan's power is nothing compared to God's power.

Yes. When I first became a Calvinist, people would tell me God was completely in control down to the last atom. I found this difficult to grasp until you start thinking about how everything MUST be in His control otherwise He would not be all knowing or all powerful. If you lose this concept (and many have or are) then you slip into Open Theism.

15,340 posted on 05/27/2007 11:55:35 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; Forest Keeper
When I first became a Calvinist, people would tell me God was completely in control down to the last atom. I found this difficult to grasp until you start thinking about how everything MUST be in His control otherwise He would not be all knowing or all powerful. If you lose this concept (and many have or are) then you slip into Open Theism.

Amen, Harley. And I've never met anyone who, once made aware of this perspective, goes back to believing they over-stated God's control of His creation.

Every day it's more and more clear that He's God and He's in control.

And that is wonderful news for all of us.

"But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me." -- 1 Corinthians 15:10

"When you believe in God, you've got to believe in the all-powerful God. He's not just God, He's the all-powerful God and He has total control over everyone's life...nothing else speaks to my heart. This doesn't speak to my intellect, it doesn't speak to my logic -- it speaks right to my heart and right to my soul, deeper than anything I've ever thought of. And I totally believe it. That being said, I'm not a very good Christian. I mean, none of us are ever 'good' Christians. That's not the point. When you're a Christian, it doesn't mean you're gonna be good, it means you've got a harder road to pull." -- Alice Cooper

15,341 posted on 05/28/2007 12:18:05 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg
When I first became a Calvinist, people would tell me God was completely in control down to the last atom. I found this difficult to grasp until you start thinking about how everything MUST be in His control otherwise He would not be all knowing or all powerful.

Yes and AMEN, Harley. It's possible that I may have been in that place longer than you. :) It just seems like the inbred human instinct is to focus on self and individual control. The truth is the opposite of what we think, and I am so much more grateful now for what God did for me, because I realize that I had no chance of understanding it on my own.

15,462 posted on 06/01/2007 4:50:57 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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