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To: Alamo-Girl; topcat54; HarleyD; Quix; Forest Keeper; Alex Murphy; alpha-8-25-02; Gamecock; ...
God is not bound by any of the Aristotlean Laws of Logic

Very true. But God has purposed the world so that there is a certain logic within existence that is of Him and by Him.

I love the verses that speak to our "quickened minds." God not only gave us new hearts and new ears and new eyes, but He also reordered our minds, our intellect, our method of discerning truth through a type of logic which, of course, must begin and end with Him.

"And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." -- Philippians 4:7

"This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them" -- Hebrews 10:16

The very act of writing is by definition an act of logic. We received the Ten Commandments and the Holy Scriptures in sentences, not pictures. The Holy Spirit comes to us through our minds in actual words, transforming our own thoughts into His.

"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." -- Romans 12:2

The only other time the word "renewing" is used in Scriputre is in Titus, and it is defined as an act by the Holy Spirit...

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" -- Titus 3:5

God no doubt ordained this pattern so that men could get together and weigh the words and meanings in order to better understand His intent, comparing Scripture with Scripture. One of my new favorite verses explains exactly how "logical" and self-evident the Holy Spirit is in the Bible --

"And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left." -- Isaiah 30:21

14,441 posted on 05/10/2007 12:05:32 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; topcat54; HarleyD; Quix; hosepipe; betty boop
Beautiful scriptures and testimony truly said. Thank you!

Indeed, all of God's creation is ordered. The mathematics (logic, geometry, information) is so fundamental that physicist Wigner calls it "the unreasonable effectiveness of math." BTW, I see the mathematics also a language of God's creation.

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [There is] no speech nor language, [where] their voice is not heard. – Psalms 19:1-3

As Jastrow said the observation that there was a beginning of real space and real time was the most theological statement ever to come out science. And scientists have scrambled since then trying to find any way to obviate the meaning, there was a Creator who was the uncaused cause, i.e. God. And as Jastrow also said (paraphrased) - when they've climbed the last mountain of knowledge they'll meet the theologians who've been sitting there, waiting for them.

Meanwhile, we who are creatures must realize that we suffer from an "observer problem" - we cannot remove ourselves from the creation to see "all that there is" objectively. Thus we ought never to anthropomorphize God.

14,445 posted on 05/10/2007 1:11:00 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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