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To: Dr. Eckleburg; kosta50; betty boop; hosepipe
Thank you so very much for your insights and the excerpt! I am particularly drawn to this one [footnote added, operative point emphasized]:

X. The supreme judge by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits, are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest, can be no other but the Holy Spirit speaking in the Scripture.[24]

[24] MATT. 22:29,31. Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying. EPH. 2:20. And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner-stone. With ACTS 28:25. And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Isaiah the prophet unto our fathers.

It is good to know the Scriptures, but to understand them, one must also know the power of God. Otherwise, as betty boop noted above, mortals can and do torture the words to derive whatever meaning they will.

Thus the revelation of God in the Scriptures stands as incontrovertible and dispositive, which is to say that the Scriptures themselves are not a private interpretation of mere mortals. The Scriptures come from the will of God not the will of men.

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost. – 2 Peter 1:20-21

It appears this point is often missed or interpreted to mean there must be a wise counsel of men to seek additional guidance from the Holy Spirit - as if He abided someplace other than in each and every one of us (John 3) - in order to arrive at a consensus of what He really meant to say or omitted to mention.

I assert that one always receives the Scriptures as the revelation of God and therefore incontrovertible and dispositive when he has also received the power of God through the indwelling Spirit, because the Spirit Himself authenticates the words as His own. Which is the substance of the verses in footnote 24 plus Peter's testimony above.

14,246 posted on 05/08/2007 11:26:38 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
[.. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost. – 2 Peter 1:20-21 ..]

Moved by the Holy Spirit but the words were the words were the words of instrument(s) he used.. No doubt the prophets had different personalitys and qualia.. The feeling of the scripture they wrote was unique.. as were the gospels.. and letters of Paul.. What a wonderful thing.. that scripture can have "a personality".. Moved to be written by the Holy Spirit but with/a personality of the writer..

Like a painting painted with colors on different types of media.. wood, stone, glass, precious stone or even holographic metaphor(that is a vision).. Never saw theis verse this way before.. thanks..

14,249 posted on 05/08/2007 11:48:38 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; betty boop; hosepipe
2 Peter 1:20-21...It appears this point is often missed or interpreted to mean there must be a wise counsel of men...

No, I think it is misinterpreted to mean that every Jo and Jane can read the bible and say "Holy Spirit explained this to me..." and believe it instead of recognizing that it is their private opinion. Tha's when you get the "It must be true. God told me so" statements. Sure...that must be it.

14,266 posted on 05/08/2007 1:44:44 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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