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To: Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; kosta50; Forest Keeper
...God’s words are not torture but rather they are spirit and they are life.

We must ever remember that God's Logos was spoken. It is a living Word, not words on paper. We can torture the written word all we want to make it give up meanings that are conducive to our understanding. But God's Logos surpasseth all human understanding. We must stand in His Grace to be One in His Truth.

Or so it seems to me.... FWIW!

14,205 posted on 05/08/2007 8:31:42 AM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein.)
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; Forest Keeper
A-G: ...God’s words are not torture but rather they are spirit and they are life

betty boop: We must ever remember that God's Logos was spoken. It is a living Word, not words on paper

God's blessings are just that, blessings. What we do with them can be a blessing or a curse. The same goes for His scriputres.

14,214 posted on 05/08/2007 9:00:13 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: betty boop; hosepipe; kosta50; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg
Truly, the Word of God is alive. It is a Name of Jesus (John 1 and Rev 19).

And truly, words of God have been spoken, e.g. "let there be light." (Gen 1) Indeed, I assert that a thing is true because God speaks it. And words of God have been written:

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. - Matt 5:18

The words of God are spirit and life. The pressure waves (sound) or text on paper are media whereby they are declared. As Jesus said:

Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. - John 8:43

They were hearing Him physically but not spiritually. They didn't have "ears to hear."

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. - John 6:63

As you say, people can and do torture the manuscripts of Scripture - the text on paper - to derive virtually whatever "meaning" they wish. But the Spirit reveals Truth.

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. - John 16:13

And those who have spiritual hearing speak in a spiritual language the natural man cannot understand:

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. II Cor 2:6-16


14,220 posted on 05/08/2007 9:19:23 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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