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To: Kolokotronis; stfassisi; kosta50
the non-Patristic notion of Original Sin

It is rather clear, is it not, that Romans 5 speaks of some sin, connects it to Adam, and attaches it to all or nearly all regardless of their personal behavior? I cannot shake the impression that all the Orthodox Church is rejecting is the term, while accepting the essence.

13,696 posted on 04/28/2007 5:32:01 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex; Kolokotronis
It is rather clear, is it not, that Romans 5 speaks of some sin, connects it to Adam, and attaches it to all or nearly all regardless of their personal behavior?

Romans 5:12 can be interpreted in two different ways (which is typical of +Paul's, what i call, "muddy" writing style).

Also +Paul makes a sweeping generalization "we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character," (Rom 5:3-4) which is an unfounded fallacy that has caused many a problem in social upbringing and probably undue suffering for many (you know, it mut be twue "because it's in the bible.")

I take +Paul with a grain of salt. And so does the Church: use him where he is orthodox and ignore him where he is not. He had his moments, but clearly his Epistles are not on the par with the Gospels (although reading what +Paul had to say, one would get the opposite impression).

I cannot shake the impression that all the Orthodox Church is rejecting is the term, while accepting the essence

The Orthodox Church simply does not read Romans 5 as the West does. His words ho pantes hemarton may be interpreted not only as because all men sinned (Orthodox reading) but also in whom [Adam] all men sinned(Western reading).

The Orthodox/orthodox interpretation simply states that we all sin and those sins are ours, not inherited.

13,706 posted on 04/29/2007 5:58:14 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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