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To: Forest Keeper
Christ did the former and caused them to produce the NT for later Christians to read and understand as guided by the Holy Spirit. Look at the tone of your own post. "Christ left MEN! Not some book." That's how it sounds. Men are flawed, God's Holy word is not.

Where does the Bible make the claim that Jesus "caused" the Apostles to produce the NT? Sounds like a great big circular argument to me. Where is the evidence of that? Christ DID leave men. No circular argument there. Men who HE promised He would guide through the Holy Spirit. Do you believe that the Holy Spirit will lead these men astray?

The fact of the matter is that Christianity existed for at least 20 years without ANY New Testament whatsoever. Apparently, God was able to use clay vessels as His instruments to effectively begin the Church.

Now, to tweak you some more...I would say that the Scriptures were of very little effect in the conversion of the Gentiles in the first century. Why? Because the Scriptures had no authority for Gentiles. How could Paul or Peter argue from a book that had no special position to them? That would be like me arguing from the Iliad... Only the Jews would consider the Scriptures as authoritative. The conversion of Gentiles would depend on the acts of men guided by God, not the arguments from the Bible.

Think about that for awhile. It is historical fact - the way God allowed it to happen.

Regards

13,619 posted on 04/26/2007 2:21:22 PM PDT by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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To: jo kus
Where does the Bible make the claim that Jesus "caused" the Apostles to produce the NT? Sounds like a great big circular argument to me.

All scripture is God-breathed. Peter recognizes Paul's writings as scripture. Maybe I don't know what you mean.

Christ DID leave men. No circular argument there. Men who HE promised He would guide through the Holy Spirit. Do you believe that the Holy Spirit will lead these men astray?

I believe the Holy Spirit leads all believers, including the first Christians after the Apostles. However, it is clear that not everyone gets everything at the exact same time, and in the same amounts. Sanctification is tailored by the Spirit to the individual. The Spirit leads no one "astray", but we humans still make mistakes.

The fact of the matter is that Christianity existed for at least 20 years without ANY New Testament whatsoever. Apparently, God was able to use clay vessels as His instruments to effectively begin the Church.

That's true, but nevertheless the NT scripture was still obviously being taught orally. That does not offend Sola Scriptura at all.

Now, to tweak you some more...I would say that the Scriptures were of very little effect in the conversion of the Gentiles in the first century. Why? Because the Scriptures had no authority for Gentiles. How could Paul or Peter argue from a book that had no special position to them? That would be like me arguing from the Iliad...

They argued from pure truth, and it was God who convicted His elect, NOT the Apostles then, and not us now. The scriptures BECAME authority for God's chosen.

14,000 posted on 05/05/2007 1:43:02 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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