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To: annalex
The RCC has always been one of the scriptures greatest enemies, as has been shown by your own distortion of them in these posts. The Church gave you the scripture. Some enemy. I may have failings, but reading "water" and seeing "flesh" is not one of them.

The RCC did not give the scriptures to anyone.

All church councils only recognized what local churches had already accepted as scripture and the local churches were not under any obligation to accept incorrect views on the scriptures.

Christians had the scriptures despite the RCC, as they do today.

'That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit'(Jn.3:6).

Christ explains the earlier verse in which Nicodomus asks if he must go back into his mother's womb to be 'born again'.

That is the flesh that Christ is referring to the intial birth that is connected to the water of the womb.

Just as Christ came by water and blood (1Jn.5:6), showing His two natures, human (water) and blood, God's blood (Acts.20:28)

13,603 posted on 04/26/2007 3:35:49 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (For what saith the scripture? (Rom.4:3))
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To: fortheDeclaration
The RCC did not give the scriptures to anyone

Yeah right. Zondervan gave you scripture. Sure.

water of the womb

If Jesus wanted to say "flesh" or "womb" in John 3:5, He would have said so: both words are used in the immediate context.

What Christ said was to honor the word of God, not Mary

He said, "Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God, and keep it" (Luke 11:28). Mary is first among them.

Peter says ...

This is what he says: "Whereunto baptism being of the like form [water], now saveth you also" (1 Peter 3:21).

13,614 posted on 04/26/2007 11:56:39 AM PDT by annalex
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