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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Alamo-Girl; Quix; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings; wmfights; blue-duncan; P-Marlowe
you're missing his point

He has no point. He has froth around his mouth. I showed why his jabs at the Church do not follow from the scripture he pretends to be reading. Let us see if Westmister Confession, and your remarks, patched his opus up sufficiently for the whole to begin to make sense.

Papists believe their good works can earn them salvation, while Protestants know that good works are the result of the Holy Spirit opening our hearts to God because of Christ's atonement alone

I understand the Calvin's throad clearings had to do with it. Problem with this statement is, either the Church does not teach it or there is no scripture to back it up, depending how you weasel around the words. Good works, we teach, advance out sanctification and are necessary for salvation as they form faith. They do not earn salvation in any transactional sense, but rather they form our faith, and of course all of it is only possible because of the merits of Christ. This is what the scripture teaches (2 Romans 2:6-10, James 2:11-26, Luke 17:5-10, 1 Cor 13:13), and Calvin should be addressing. Naked sloganeering is not helping his cause.

Calvin here refers to the fact that the RCC teaches you must be forgiven over and over and over again

He is referring to that, but he is wrong and does not provide any support for his error. I covered that in my previous post.

Baptism flows from the Holy Spirit and is accomplished by the will of God, not the will of the church.

I do not dispute that the individual baptism and the individual gift of salvation go together; I would not dogmatically put one over the other as the scripture does not do so; your own speculation does. The decision to baptize or not baptize belongs to the sponsors and secondarily to the Church. Regardless of the individual disposition of the participants, any valid baptism is baptism into the Catholic Chruch, as there is no other. If Calvine has any dispute with this Catohlic teaching. he failed to express it.

Believers make up a congregation

This is not scriptural. "I shall build my Church", not "you shall make up congregations".

invisible/visible

is an exptrascriptural speculation. The scruiptural truth is tha tthe Church is the mystical body of Christ, build on the rock of Peter, one body, one doctrine, one baptism.

13,436 posted on 04/24/2007 7:47:59 AM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex; Alamo-Girl; Quix; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings; wmfights; blue-duncan; P-Marlowe
Good works, we teach, advance out sanctification and are necessary for salvation as they form faith. They do not earn salvation in any transactional sense, but rather they form our faith

Now see, most Protestants would be embarrassed to write that. "Good works...form our faith?"

Faith is in the "good work" accomplished by Christ on the cross. Period. Not in our own good works which are as filthy rags to God. Christ, our redeemer, does not share that title with those He redeems. Our sins are nailed to His cross and He carries every one of them.

He has froth around his mouth.

LOL. No, I think he's "got milk!"

"As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby" -- 1 Peter 2:2

13,460 posted on 04/24/2007 11:55:00 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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