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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
[... The Greek word apokalypsis (revelation) means "lifting of the veil." So this lifting of the veil pertains to John; we can say thus that John had [experienced] a revelation from God! Christ, being God, never had a revelation (i.e. "lifting of the veil"); it is He who reveals, not to one to whom it is revealed. ..]

Since my own revelation(s) from God tends to enhance or complete the Revelation of Jesus(bible book) given to John as a revelation.. maybe understanding that book is on a need to know basis.. My understanding is that any revelation is limited according to the ability to grasp it.. Example: I have had several "revelations" of sacrifice over the years each deeper in content and depth.. same with other issues..

What "heaven" and "hell" are, are also the same.. What they are or could be is limited to the "observers" ability to observe.. A "lifting of the veil" really.. Amazing that a human upon a revelation can "DECLARE" that they finally understand something.. When their understanding has just reached another level but no means they fully understand..

And MORE if a "christian" has never had a "vision/revelation" I wonder if they understand much at all..

13,242 posted on 04/21/2007 3:07:48 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe
And MORE if a "christian" has never had a "vision/revelation" I wonder if they understand much at all.

Hadn't thought of it that way before. But I think you have a point. Scripture declares that Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth. Either that's accurate, true, honest, valid, operational Scripture, or it's not. If it is, the fruit of that should show in each believer's life.

NonPentecostal/NonCharismatic types that tend to rail at us for 'extra-' or 'nonBiblical' inputs . . . will virtually always agree that they have had times of reading in travail or some burdened state over a serious marriage, child, financial problem at their wits end . . . and suddenly a particular phrase or line in a particular verse will jump out at them as vividly and obviously GOD'S WORD TO THEM ABOUT THAT SITUATION--and the burden lifts and a solution works it's way into the situation from that moment, increasingly clearly and tangibly.

And they are so blessed and thankful that the hope God gave them in that moment saw them through to the fulfillment of the solution pointed at by Holy Spirit in the Scripture.

Some will sputter--but THAT'S SCRIPTURE. Yes, but you've read that verse 100's of times. What made it special this time--the taco and beans you ate a few hours ago? I think not! The difference was Holy Spirit speaking into their heart, mind and spirit IN THE NOW as Oral used to say. Holy Spirit brought a specific word in the Scriptures ALIVE for that specific problem IN THE PRESENT AND IN A SPECIFIC WAY TAILORED TO THE INDIVIDUAL AND THE PROBLEM.

Holy Spirit loves to do that. But He is not limited to doing that. That's sort of a kindergarten level of receiving from Holy Spirit. He wants us to go on to the maturity outlined for the operational Christian church era church in I Cor 12-14 and HEAR THE VOICE OF THE LORD ROUTINELY--TO EVEN PRAY THAT WE MIGHT BE SO GIFTED even above average for all believers . . . as Christ said--HIS SHEEP DO HEAR HIS VOICE. Period. No qualifiers.

Anyway--I think the months and years ahead will see times where it's crucial to life and limb to hear The Lord's voice and instantly obey it.

Thanks for your kind post.

13,251 posted on 04/21/2007 6:24:52 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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