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To: Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; Quix; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; kawaii; kosta50
It appears you may be introducing a third option. If a person must REMAIN elect, then that erases any idea of predestination of any sort. If one's state of election is constantly in flux, then what is your concept of predestination?

No, you got it right the first time. I am merely describing from the point of view of the faithful, who does not have the divine TIVO and is effecting his own election by his free will. In most places, the scripture adopts the same view, because it is more important to tell the faithful to make the right choice than to instill augustinianism in him.

"profits" vs. "accounts". What's the difference?

"Flesh profits" refers to the flesh of the faithful receiving a nutrient. "Flesh accounts" would refer to the flesh of Christ being eaten. The flesh of the feithful does not profit from eating the tiny wafer, just as the verse indicates; but the flesh of Christ accounts for the whole lot as it was broken on the Cross.

I think he is describing who the new person is.

Yes.

new slavery is NOT voluntary

Of course it is. You choose to repent, grow in faith and obey the Gospel.

13,163 posted on 04/20/2007 5:32:21 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex; Forest Keeper; HarleyD; wmfights; Quix; blue-duncan
You choose to repent

Like all good things, the ability to repent is a gift from God.

"Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?" -- Romans 2:4

"In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth" -- 2 Timothy 2:25

"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." -- Philippians 2:13


13,174 posted on 04/20/2007 7:20:28 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: annalex; blue-duncan; Quix; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; kawaii; kosta50
FK: "It appears you may be introducing a third option. If a person must REMAIN elect, then that erases any idea of predestination of any sort. If one's state of election is constantly in flux, then what is your concept of predestination?"

No, you got it right the first time. I am merely describing from the point of view of the faithful, who does not have the divine TIVO and is effecting his own election by his free will.

OK, then the faithful effect their own elections by using their free wills. While I obviously respectfully disagree, I really do appreciate your candor and straightforwardness. We would say that election is based solely on the dominion of the sovereignty of God.

In most places, the scripture adopts the same view, because it is more important to tell the faithful to make the right choice than to instill augustinianism in him.

You refer to outward calls, and there are many in scripture, and they are all good. When I witness to prospects I often quote outward calls, and it is good. However, there ARE deeper spiritual truths that are learned during sanctification. We believe that some of Saint Augustine's teachings are among them. :)

FK: "... new slavery is NOT voluntary"

Of course it is. You choose to repent, grow in faith and obey the Gospel.

I am speaking of ultimate credit, which belongs to God alone. Yes, we make the choices you illustrate, but these all belong to God. The glory only goes to God.

13,657 posted on 04/27/2007 7:33:47 AM PDT by Forest Keeper
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