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To: Forest Keeper
I have always thought of heaven and hell as places, even if in a dimension not currently observable to us.

Do you believe that God takes up space in a location or a dimension? How much does God weigh? How big is He? What area does He exist within this place called "heaven"? Perhaps for people who do not think much about it, heaven can be called a "place". But for theologians who take seriously the idea that God is a spirit (and spirits do not take up space), it would be better to consider heaven as a "state of existence" rather than a physical place. Such anthropomorphic views of God do not make sense with the view that God is spirit.

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12,437 posted on 04/12/2007 2:47:33 PM PDT by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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To: jo kus

I suspect Heaven is beyond our notions of our 3D+TIME space.

However, you seem to ignore, be unaware of or disbeileve a myriad of Heavenly visitations which would indicate that Heaven does take up space etc. Roland Buck’s case is but one of many.

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12,470 posted on 04/12/2007 9:26:01 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: jo kus; Alamo-Girl; Quix
Do you believe that God takes up space in a location or a dimension? How much does God weigh? How big is He? What area does He exist within this place called "heaven"? Perhaps for people who do not think much about it, heaven can be called a "place". But for theologians who take seriously the idea that God is a spirit (and spirits do not take up space), it would be better to consider heaven as a "state of existence" rather than a physical place.

I was just thinking that for a thing to exist, it must take up space in its environment, whether in our perceivable universe or elsewhere. God exists and satan exists, they do not co-exist as one entity. There is a separation. ...... We say that God is omnipresent. I take that to mean in our perceivable universe. But I don't think that applies to the realms of Heaven and hell. Is God omnipresent in hell? AG notes this scripture as showing that there is a real spatial divide between Heaven and hell:

Luke 16:26 : And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'

In the Catholic faith, my understanding is that you believe that Jesus descended into hell for a time, and then LEFT, presumably forever. If that is a fair representation, then we know that God did not exist in hell, then He did, and then He didn't again. Whether that means a physical place or a plane of existence, the idea of clear separation is unmistakable. Wherever, whenever, however God exists is confined to that existence not in common with hell.

Now, on the question of how much does God weigh, that would depend on the gravity in Heaven, if any. :) However, on earth we know FOR SURE that the human soul weighs 21 grams! :)

13,084 posted on 04/19/2007 3:20:23 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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