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To: jo kus
And your attempts to avoid dealing with what Paul wrote will not make it go away either. Sorry, but I began this "there is no faith alone" by stating James 2 as my evidence. You answer James by going to Paul? And I am having avoidance issues???

I didn't avoid what James said, I addressed it and explained it, even using footnotes from a RCC bible to show that there was no contradiction between the two.

You, on the other hand, have not addressed what Paul wrote in Rom.4

Listen. I certainly CAN explain what Paul wrote. I have done so many times on this very forum. However, the Bible clearly explains the issue in James. Why waste energy trying to prove something from Paul when it is so clearly written in James??? Why waste my time when James says it in ONE SENTENCE that you are wrong!

LOL!

Well, you aren't even explaining what James said, so I know you do not know that Paul is saying.

Here is another reason. Here is what Peter says regarding St. Paul... "...our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction." 2 Peter 3:15-16

And what Peter is addressing there is not the salvation Gospel that Paul preached, since he preached it also (Acts 15), but the mystery of the one Body, which was revealed only to Paul (Eph.3), the joining of Jew and Gentile together into the Bride of Christ (Eph.5:30).

That is what Peter was addressing on the difficult things that Paul spoke of, since even Peter got chewed out by Paul for rejecting his Gentile brothers in Gal.2.

Why try to argue from difficult Scriptures that can be twisted, even during the time of Peter, when Scriptures MORE CLEARLY settles the issue by VERY CLEARLY AND FORCEFULLY SAYING THAT ONE IS NOT SAVED BY FAITH ALONE in James!!!!

James never says a word about salvation!

All it says is that someones faith is dead, not that has anything to do with salvation.

That is your misinterpretation of salvation.

James is speaking of fruit bearing, and if the branch bears no fruit it is taken away (Jn.15:2), if a person loses his faith (dead faith) Christ remains faithful (2Tim.2:13)

All you are doing is "twisting Scriptures to YOUR DESTRUCTION". That's right. Your false teachings is leading you and anyone who follows you to destruction. That can't be a good thing...

No, it is you is rejecting the clear teaching of Paul by running to James.

Nowhere does it state that anything is ever added to faith.

Even your own Catechism (which I posted on another post) states that all works are God's works that come from faith

Give up the charade and the smoke and mirrors. Read the Bible and follow it when it clearly says we are not saved by faith alone. ADJUST YOUR INTERPRETATIONS OF PAUL! Paul and James share the same inspiration - God. God is not a God of confusion. Thus, when God clearly tells us we are not saved by faith alone - and God tells us that Paul's writings CAN be twisted and distorted, WHY ON EARTH DO YOU KEEP TRYING TO GO BACK TO PAUL WHILE IGNORING JAMES?

Paul states very clearly that no works are involved in salvation, that is all of faith, that it might be of grace.

James is not even speaking of salvation, but is speaking of showing ones faith, as your own RCC bible notes state.

You are thinking that a 'dead faith' means someone is lost but a dead faith just means that the person has stopped producing fruit and is in danger of losing his physical life (1Jn.5) and rewards (1Cor.3,3Jn.). He is not going to lose his eternal soul, since what was implanted in him at the point of salvation was immortal (1Pe.1:23), the word of God, which 'liveth and abideth forever'. Thus, since it (the Born Again believer) cannot die, even if the person's faith does.

There can be only one answer - you can't admit you are wrong.

LOL!

Search the scriptures! (Acts 17:11)

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? James 2:20

And don't you know that doesn't mean one is lost?

Where does James say that one is lost if one has a 'dead faith'?

Where does Paul say that one has to perform works in order to be saved?

Both state that works are a result of salvation, but do not add to it or keep it.

What more do you want? These verses are the "two by four to the head"! I have other things to do. Please do not bother me with your false teachings that twist things and bring people to their destruction. I am not in the mood to argue about such obvious issues...

What you mean is that you do not want to deal with the truth.

You are under conviction.

I think these posts are going to be repeated back to you at a future date and you are going to have to explain to Christ Himself why you resisted the truth when it was presented to you.

I will pray for you that you realize that God's Word tells us that we are saved by a living faith, one with works of love

I will pray for you to open your eyes to what the scripture says regarding salvation, that it is an event, not a process.

That love works from the new life implanted in you, but that life is immortal and cannot die as clearly stated by Scripture.

One's faith can die by quenching or grieving the Holy Spirit constantly (Eph.4,1Thess5), but the seed that God implanted in those who accept the free gift of eternal salvation cannot die (1Pe.1:23)

12,121 posted on 03/28/2007 12:06:05 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (For what saith the scripture? (Rom.4:3))
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To: fortheDeclaration
Until you can explain why James disagrees with your notion of salvation, I have nothing more to say. I have no desire to argue like a child about this.

Regards

12,122 posted on 03/28/2007 5:08:37 AM PDT by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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