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To: 1000 silverlings
Anyway, Mary is not divine and she is not to be treated as such.

We agree. Mary is a creature and not to be treated as a Creator. If you cannot articulate what our answer is to the "God my Savior" line is, I hope you will review the argument. Our answer, which I suspect will not satisfy you has been given many times on this and other threads.

11,898 posted on 03/23/2007 7:30:38 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Tactical shotty, Marlin 1894c, S&W 686P, Sig 226 & 239, Beretta 92fs & 8357, Glock 22, & attitude!)
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To: Mad Dawg; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; Marysecretary
No mention is ever made in the bible of Mary atoning or saving mankind. The fact that she gave birth to Christ is the highest gift a woman could hope for, and it was a gift of God, totally unmerited as all Grace is. No doubt she was a righteous woman as Jewish women tended to be, and this was her only merit and as such her goodness came by way of the Law.

Now you will claim that I use a "random generator machine" to produce Scripture backing up the argument and that is your privilege. For serious students of the bible, the following verses will show, by God's word, that one man (Adam)sinned, and sin entered into the world, causing death. Before Adam sinned, there was sin, but the material creation was not subject to it.

Only ONE MAN (Jesus) by his obedience to God, changed this. Mary did not change it and Mary did not atone for us.

All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Romans 5

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

11,940 posted on 03/24/2007 9:41:51 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (I demand the right to be Islamophobic)
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