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To: HarleyD
Harley, You wrote:
Hmmmm....while I don't like to speak in hypothetical, what exactly would be your reaction if the Latin Church made Mary "co-redemptrix"? You know the Latin Church is very close to this.
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Of course YMMV, but for me knowledge isn't about being sure. So when you ask:
Are you as sure as I am?
and whether I'm prepared to play the horses on this one, I think it's irrelevant to the point I was trying to make, which is about claiming knowledge when what we're dealing with is hunches. But to answer, I don't have an opinion. This is not the kind of thing that keeps me up nights.

The declaration of 1952, which was about The Assumption, not the Immaculate Conception, made de fidesomething that had been discussed for around 1500 years, give or take. When you're dealingin more than a millenium, "close" becomes a pretty vague word, IMHO. When you say "close" and they did it 200 years from now, I'd be hard pressed to say you were wrong.

In any event, I think the opinion, understood as we (or at least, I) have discussed is obvious. If "co-" means equal, my confidence in the Holy Spirit's guidance of the Church leads me to bet against the Church's ever saying that. (I say again: the Idea of Papal Infallibility is not an idea about the Pope so much as an Idea about God's fidelity to the Church). If "co- means merely "with" then I don't think the idea is worthy of a declaration, unless they also make a declaration like "The sky is often blue." To me it's a big duh.

One of my non-Christian heroes is Socrates and I work really hard at not saying "know" unless I know. And I rarely know. That's what twisted my knickers.

11,527 posted on 03/20/2007 10:20:35 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Tactical shotty, Marlin 1894c, S&W 686P, Sig 226 & 239, Beretta 92fs & 8357, Glock 22, & attitude!)
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To: Mad Dawg
The declaration of 1952, which was about The Assumption, not the Immaculate Conception, made de fidesomething that had been discussed for around 1500 years, give or take.

Oh, please. I don't think so. One would wonder why the Orthodox hasn't adopted it, if that were the case; or why it took 1500 years to finally agree to it. It's invented. In fact, what you are suggesting is that either the Orthodox or Rome have not been able to correctly decipher doctrine. Considering the fact that the Roman Catholic Church consider things of this nature, coming from the chair of Peter, to be infalible, one would have to conclude the Orthodox is in error.

One of my non-Christian heroes is Socrates and I work really hard at not saying "know" unless I know.

As far as Socrates goes, personally I think he makes a pretty poor role model and anyone who claims to hear "inner voices" I tend to avoid. While you may not "know" what is the status of the "co-redeptix" of Mary, it is apparent it doesn't trouble you whatever the Church decides.

11,562 posted on 03/21/2007 6:11:25 AM PDT by HarleyD
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